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kenaan12alex_gaynor default 11b994f7ec222e 15/pypy/rpython/lltypesystem/rpbc.py: translation fix00:50
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CIA-2503arigo 07roundup * 10#925/RPython arrays sometimes getting the wrong type?: [resolved] Fixed (7c12a810b394). * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue92507:09
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kenaan12arigo default 11d58637fb13db 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/: Re-checkin bfea8fbdeed4, with the fix: make_ge(0), not make_gt(0)...08:11
kenaan12arigo default 11315c9147dfac 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/: test and fix08:11
kenaan12arigo default 116700af7e083b 15/pypy/rpython/lltypesystem/rpbc.py: merge heads08:11
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arigatohi08:15
arigatofijal: lightweight-finalizers broke the hybrid GC, which is used by "-jit-nojit" on the nightly builds08:15
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fijalarigato: i know08:50
fijalI'l fix it08:50
fijalarigato: feel free to disable lightweight-finalizers for hybrid?08:52
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fijalit's just setting the flag to False or ignoring the flag08:52
fijal(feel free to do it in the meantime if it bothers you)08:52
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Action: arigato feels like he spent 6 translation's time for nothing09:12
arigatohopefully not my time but tannit's09:12
arigatomaybe you can tell me exactly which of the pile of failures we have right now are "expected"?09:15
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CIA-2503ltratt 07roundup * 10#925/RPython arrays sometimes getting the wrong type?: 10:02
CIA-25[unread] This doesn't appear to fix the bug for me. If I revert this patch:10:02
CIA-25https://github.com/ltratt/converge/commit/75498f726fda2056722bac6 ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue92510:02
Alex_Gaynormorning10:04
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CIA-2503arigo 07roundup * 10#925/RPython arrays sometimes getting the wrong type?: 10:57
CIA-25[chatting] If I "git pull" and revert this patch, then it still works for me: I can10:57
CIA-25translate it with "translate.py --continuation -Ojit main". ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue92510:57
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CIA-2503ltratt 07roundup * 10#925/RPython arrays sometimes getting the wrong type?: 11:16
CIA-25[unread] Mea culpa! I apologise for the amateur error - apparently I forgot to "hg11:16
CIA-25update" (I have still yet to work out why sometimes I need to ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue92511:16
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Alex_Gaynorarigato: any particular motivation for optimizing division, or just fun?11:35
verteA. Rigo, Optimising division, PyPy Inc.11:36
arigatoAlex_Gaynor: it was just because I was disappointed with the results of some trivial 5-liner example11:36
Alex_Gaynor:)11:37
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mattipI am about to start work on basic matrix math on the numpy-multidim branch.15:56
mattipShould I create my own branch or continue working in numpy-multidim?15:57
arigatomattip: hi, great.  I'll leave fijal to answer this, but both options are possible16:00
arigatoI mean that both choices are probably reasonable, and it's up to you16:00
kenaan12arigo default 11fee2997d53e2 15/pypy/rpython/memory/gc/semispace.py: Hack away lightweight-finalizer support from the semispace GC. Translated pypy's using the hybrid GC failed so far,...16:03
mattiparigato: Thanks.16:07
Alex_Gaynormattip: I'd branch from it, that makes it easier if we want to merge one before the other16:11
kenaan12arigo default 117d298f1a3bf6 15/pypy/jit/backend/x86/tool/viewcode.py: Keep the end-of-line characters, otherwise it's all printed on one line.  Fixes c041e29173a9.  Restore a comment th...16:13
kenaan12arigo default 1176c3245ed214 15/pypy/rpython/memory/gc/semispace.py: merge heads16:13
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kenaan12arigo default 1121b6ffe463ac 15/pypy/jit/backend/x86/: Test and fix.16:29
Alex_Gaynorarigato: the commit message says test and fix, but I don't see a test16:30
arigatotrue enough16:30
arigatothe point is that jit/backend/x86/test/test_runner.py has been failing since days16:30
arigatoand that's a fix16:31
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Alex_Gaynorah16:31
kenaan12alex_gaynor default 1143d84b226dc4 15/pypy/: keep a dict virtual through `del d['key']`16:35
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Alex_Gaynorfijal: talk to mattip about multidim please :)16:37
Alex_Gaynormattip: btw what timezone are you in?16:37
fijalmattip: hi16:37
kenaan12arigo default 119241337e06ff 15/pypy/jit/: Generalize passing of translation options.16:37
kenaan12arigo default 116b10f883bb6a 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/: Fix and refactor passing translation options. Fixes test_rerased.16:37
kenaan12arigo default 1155e0646208ca 15/pypy/: merge heads16:38
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Alex_Gaynorarigato: yay for passing tests!16:42
arigatoAlex_Gaynor: I would give it a greater "yay" factor for understanding why test_zll_random passes anyway16:42
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arigatodoes it never put floats in an array of structs?16:43
Alex_Gaynornot sure, ask fijal, I usually just assume the backend works16:43
fijalarigato: it would be surprising if it indeed does that16:43
fijalsince I just reused the "get random structure" function16:44
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Alex_GaynorI don't find "float" in test_ll_random.py at all16:45
arigatobah, no "Float" at all in test_ll_random16:45
arigatoindeed16:45
kenaan12edelsohn ppc-jit-backend 11450839e55d9a 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/helper/assembler.py: Add PPC64 instructions to gen_emit_cmp_op16:45
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fijal"We hope you have been enjoying Cloud9 IDE as much as we have."16:50
fijalI love those newsletter16:50
fijalactually I should reply "no, in fact I utterly failed to open a file"16:51
fprimexfijal: I'm off to lunch and will probably be busy for a while after that, but I forked pypy on bitbucket and built a checkout on my colo16:52
fijalfprimex: cool16:52
fprimexfijal: I should be able to start from there with a little direction in a bit16:52
fijalfprimex: fill a bug report when you have something for a review or a pull request?16:53
fijalsure16:53
fijalI'll be online tonight on-and-off16:53
fprimexok, food. bbl16:53
fijalmattip: ping?16:53
fijalAlex_Gaynor: should I read logs?16:53
fijalare mattip and matthp the same people?16:54
kenaan12arigo default 118d0125178e78 15/pypy/rpython/memory/gc/minimark.py: Also disable lightweight-finalizers in the minimark GC. One test in test_newgc, whose purpose is precisely to check...16:54
Alex_Gaynorfijal: I don't think so, I've seen him as matti_ as well16:54
fijalon commits?16:55
fijalarigato: thanks16:55
fijalarigato: I'll look at them16:55
Alex_Gaynoruh, no idea16:55
fijalarigato: also, I got a mail that my flight is moved (somehow) because of night-flight ban in frankfurt16:56
fijalbut I can't find *how* it's moved16:56
Alex_Gaynorfijal: maybe you were transfered to a qantas flight ;)16:57
fijalwhy qantas?16:57
Alex_Gaynorbecause they grounded all flights16:57
fijaloh why?16:57
Alex_Gaynordunno, I wasn't following too closely, they're australia only AFAIK16:58
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kenaan12arigo default 11fb26ce1b9d1b 15/pypy/translator/jvm/src/pypy/PyPy.java: Fix for test_string and test_unicode, failing with the new tests added in c91b4f3c204f.17:01
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arigatofijal: :-(17:05
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fijalarigato: that was regarding the flight?17:12
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arigatoyes17:12
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arigatosorry for the delay17:12
fijalnp :)17:16
Alex_Gaynorfijal: btw, mattip made a commit about repr/str on your branch, review it I guess :)17:19
fijalit's seriously low on tests17:19
Alex_GaynorI told him to add more, and he did a second commit with more17:20
fijalyes, but still I think17:21
fijalI guess I have also some interesting questions17:23
fijallike why does __repr__ create a slice???17:23
fijaland why does it create a signature?17:23
Alex_GaynorI dunno, talk to him, and if you prefer ask him to work on a branch17:24
arigatofijal: also, lib-python/2.7/test/test_array fails with lightweight-finalizers (which I disabled completely for now)17:26
arigatobaaah, now speed.pypy.org's main page has a graph showing the performance relative to CPython *2.7*, which means we no longer reach 5x :-)17:30
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Alex_Gaynorarigato: we'll have to speed stuff up more I guess17:30
arigatoyes, but how will I justify now having a 5x cake during the sprint?17:31
Alex_GaynorUnladen Swallow branched from 2.617:31
Alex_Gaynorso it's still valid IMO17:31
arigatofijal: btw, lac is telling me to relay this to you just in case: "Wizzair" is a cheap airline flying from 4 places in Poland directly to Gothenburg City Airport (not Landvetter the main airport)17:35
arigatoAlex_Gaynor: :-)17:36
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mattipfijal: where did you see matthp? That is me too, sometimes but I'm trying to quit using that17:57
kenaan12arigo stm 11db149dd0eef2 15/pypy/translator/stm/: - various small improvements - distinguish gc- from raw-{get,set}fields - start making targetdemo really multithreaded17:58
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Rhy0litehi, lac19:13
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lacRhy0lite: hi, but that actually was my network connection going away and back not me19:26
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mattipfijal: hi20:18
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mattiphmmm, must be a slow evening. Gnight all20:27
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kenaan12hager ppc-jit-backend 119bdd48a23099 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/ppc_assembler.py: Removed duplicate code.21:06
kenaan12hager ppc-jit-backend 113e069b262a2b 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/opassembler.py: remove debug code21:06
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dashhello! I had some crazy ideas over the weekend and I'm wondering if there are parts of pypy I can steal^Wmake use of to implement them21:47
dashin particular, I'd like to write a source-to-source translator from not-quite-python code to python code21:47
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cantadash: Write that in Python and run it with pypy? would be the easiest way21:49
dashi know pypy has a python parser in it, obviously. Are there any things for unparsing ASTs back into python source?21:49
dashcanta: well yes, obviously, but i'm wondering how much I have to write. :)21:50
cantadash: Thats dependend on how complex the language is you want to translate, you could also write an interpreter for that language in RPython, that could be translated by pypys tranlation process into a jitted interpreter.21:52
dashcanta: sure sure, but that's a different project entirely.21:52
cantaTo grasp the complexety of either endevour you could try to make a "some esoteric simple language"-to-python translator or interpreter, i think that would be easier than to adapt random pypy source bits into such a project.21:56
MostAwesomeDudedash: I started building such a thing, but never got it fully together.21:57
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MostAwesomeDudeIIUC you want to take an AST, and use some sort of thing on top of ast+code+compile to generate a Python source file?21:57
MostAwesomeDudeThere's nothing like that in PyPy AFAIK. :c21:58
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ronnydash: whats the intent of that source to source translator?22:07
dashronny: experimental syntax extensions to python22:09
dashlike traceur or coffeescript for js22:09
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dashcanta: done it already22:09
dashMostAwesomeDude: yeah ok22:10
dashi wrote part of one but didn't finish it22:10
dash(py3ast)22:10
dashbased on georg brandl's codegen.py22:10
ronnydash: arent there a few projects for that already?22:10
dashronny: Are there?22:10
ronnyafair there are some tools ofr extending python with dsl's, i dont remember then name right now tho22:11
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dashi know nothing about these things22:11
dashthere was Logix, a long while ago22:12
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ronnydash: wouldnt it be the bes, to have some kind of meta-ast/meta-tokenizer module which cna be feed with the same spec used for the python syntax specs?22:12
dashronny: probably not!22:12
ronnydash: why not?22:12
dashronny: i don't want to be limited by its format22:12
dashronny: and hey, pypy doesn't use that, does it?22:13
ronnynop22:13
ronnybut pypy doesnt work on inventing syntax extensions22:13
dashhttp://code.google.com/p/langscape/ may be a thing, i just found it.22:14
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aisiposAnyone know of any pypy incompatibilities with pystache (https://github.com/defunkt/pystache) ?22:40
kenaan12edelsohn ppc-jit-backend 11d6110e34f0eb 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/opassembler.py: PPC64 _emit_call22:41
aisiposThe 'Hi Mom' example seems to work fine on pypy 1.6, just wondering if others have tried pystache on pypy.22:41
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ronnyaisipos: well, run the testsuite maybe?22:42
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aisiposronny: ok, will try it.22:42
Alex_Gaynoraisipos: I skimmed the code, I imagine it's fine22:43
aisiposAny thoughts about pystache speed vs jinja2 perhaps?22:44
Alex_GaynorNo idea, sorry.22:44
aisiposNo problem, thx.22:45
aisiposHmm, one pystache test fails (test_render_zero). Let me see if it also fails for me on cpython.22:45
kenaan12edelsohn ppc-jit-backend 1111cd624afd49 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/ppc_assembler.py: More PPC64 paths22:46
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aisiposNope, cpython all tests pass. (!)22:47
mattipI tried translating the multidim micronumpy module22:47
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ronnypystache looks scary22:47
mattipI got this exception (which didn't show up in the tests):22:47
mattipException': demoting method unwrap to settled class <ClassDef 'pypy.interpreter.baseobjspace.W_Root'> not allowed22:48
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mattipThe code looks like: "return Scalar(dtype, dtype.unwrap(space, w_obj))" where Scalar is a class.22:49
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ronnyaisipos: i would guess that jinja 2 will do better in the long run, pystache does mess around with strings+regexx, jinja does parse+compile+excute on the interpreter22:49
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mattipIt seems the dtype.unwrap is not liked by the translator.22:50
mattipHas anyone got a hint for me?22:50
aisiposronny: yeah was my guess too, but I'm working on a project that already has some mustache templates. If jinja2 really ends up being faster (likely), we'll covert them over. Plus there's that failing test in pystache I just found....22:51
ronnymind t0 paste the error somewhere? 22:52
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Alex_Gaynoraisipos: I found teh fix.  I'll file a bug and submit a pull request on it22:53
aisiposAlex_Gaynor: faster than me. ;) Thanks for your help! Will take a look at your bug report when it's filed.22:54
aisiposAlex_Gaynor: Bug in pystache or pypy?22:55
Alex_Gaynoraisipos: pystach22:55
Alex_Gaynorhttps://github.com/defunkt/pystache/pull/3422:55
Action: ronny wonders why people are so keen on logic-less templates22:56
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DasIchronny: i don't see how they are logic-less23:00
ronnyDasIch: mustache seems orders of magnitude more castrated than django23:01
DasIchronny: it is but it is not entirely logic-less23:03
DasIchronny: in any case I agree that it is pointless23:03
DasIchronny: although mustache is much more sane than django, in that the restrictions django imposes seem much more arbitary23:04
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ronnyDasIch: the only real difference is parametrized tags23:21
ronnywell, and context23:21
aisiposronny: only reason mustache was considered here was due to it's multi-language nature. We could use the same templates on other implementations.23:24
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