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| dalke | If anyone's interested, I have code which reads an f2py "pyf" definition file for a Fortran-generated shared library, and generates (for the simplest case) the ctype+adapter code needed to call functions in that library. | 00:52 |
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| dalke | Tested using cblas, the functions srotg, drotg, and the complex versions. | 00:52 |
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| gutworth | exciting | 02:52 |
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| fijal | hi | 07:05 |
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| fijal | dalke: hi | 07:51 |
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| fijal | dalke: cool work! | 07:51 |
| fijal | dalke: how about creating another repo on pypy for such stuff? | 07:51 |
| dalke | Thanks. I'll be heading over to the sprint, so I can do data and knowledge transfer. | 07:52 |
| dalke | Including setting up that repo. | 07:52 |
| fijal | cool | 07:53 |
| fijal | I'll be driving most of today | 07:53 |
| fijal | or traveling one way or another | 07:53 |
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| ronny | fijal: i cant completely replicate your issue, however it seems like you also need the cov-core package | 08:14 |
| fijal | cov-core | 08:19 |
| fijal | which is what? | 08:19 |
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| ronny | fijal: its a minimal package that does some magic for distributed coverage runs | 08:21 |
| fijal | nice | 08:21 |
| fijal | ronny: obscure :( | 08:21 |
| fijal | but I guess I don't want to know | 08:22 |
| fijal | so what does py.test-coverage import? | 08:22 |
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| fijal | arigato: morning | 08:26 |
| ronny | fijal: coverage and cov-core | 08:26 |
| fijal | do you have any idea for dalke where to put his f2py work? | 08:26 |
| fijal | ronny: why cov-core? | 08:26 |
| ronny | fijal: im not sure, but i think i can change/fix upstream | 08:27 |
| fijal | it's just very confusing | 08:27 |
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| fijal | how do I check what is installed? | 08:28 |
| arigato | hi | 08:28 |
| arigato | he he, we get bug reports to pypy-dev in chinese, and google mail can translate them comprehensibly fine | 08:29 |
| fijal | arigato: I suggested a yet-another-repo on pypy account | 08:29 |
| ronny | fijal: im thinking a layout change on how we manage project inclusions/python path might be a help | 08:29 |
| ronny | i'll test around a bit after relocating | 08:30 |
| arigato | fijal: fine by me. it's a script that converts fortran stuff to python, so it should not be needed in a normal translation, right? | 08:31 |
| fijal | arigato: right | 08:31 |
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| elipsion | note to self: no firefox during pypy transformation... | 08:34 |
| fijal | elipsion: or use 32bit | 08:35 |
| elipsion | is there a static 32-bit pypy available? | 08:36 |
| elipsion | apparently... | 08:38 |
| fijal | yes | 08:43 |
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| cfbolz | hello | 08:44 |
| cfbolz | found this funny bug in cypthon and pypy: | 08:44 |
| cfbolz | >>> [1, 2, 3].index(2, None, None) | 08:44 |
| cfbolz | Traceback (most recent call last): | 08:44 |
| cfbolz | File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> | 08:44 |
| cfbolz | TypeError: slice indices must be integers or None or have an __index__ method | 08:44 |
| arigato | uh | 08:49 |
| cfbolz | of course there are 37 different ways in pypy to normalize indexes | 08:51 |
| cfbolz | I did some cleanup, commits coming soon | 08:51 |
| xorAxAx | thats 5 too few :) | 08:58 |
| arigato | "file.readlines() can be implemented as precisely file.read().splitlines(True)" | 08:59 |
| arigato | is this sentence correct? | 08:59 |
| elipsion | arigato: add more 'as' | 09:00 |
| arigato | ? | 09:00 |
| arigato | my english is not perfect but I think I meant the sentence with only one "as" | 09:00 |
| elipsion | ah, no | 09:00 |
| arigato | :-) | 09:00 |
| Eventh | cfbolz: regarding your paper Runtime Feedback in a Meta-Tracing, I have trouble with citing it, I can't find it on ACM | 09:00 |
| cfbolz | Eventh: well, it's a workshop paper | 09:01 |
| Eventh | I mean, I have trouble writing the BiBTex for it, when referencing it | 09:01 |
| elipsion | arigato: maybe drop 'precisely', or maybe say 'substituted with' | 09:01 |
| elipsion | maybe :P | 09:01 |
| Eventh | booktitle and pages section to be specific | 09:02 |
| arigato | :-) | 09:02 |
| elipsion | brain has not completed boot today | 09:02 |
| cfbolz | Eventh: there is no book, thus no pages. it was a workshop | 09:03 |
| Eventh | ok | 09:03 |
| cfbolz | arigato: could there be a weird difference about line ending behavior? | 09:04 |
| Eventh | Isn't included in the proceedings of the workshop thingy? | 09:04 |
| arigato | cfbolz: I'm trying to find out | 09:04 |
| cfbolz | Eventh: not all workshops have bookish proceedings | 09:05 |
| Eventh | ok | 09:05 |
| cfbolz | some just put in on a web page | 09:05 |
| arigato | cfbolz: ah, found a difference | 09:05 |
| arigato | on a binary file opened in binary mode | 09:05 |
| cfbolz | yay | 09:06 |
| arigato | ah, found out why | 09:07 |
| arigato | it would be more precisely "file.read().split('\n')", except that the split('\n') should not remove the ending \n | 09:07 |
| cfbolz | ah | 09:07 |
| arigato | splitlines() looks for \r and \r\n too | 09:07 |
| elipsion | shouldn't that be platform dependent? | 09:08 |
| Action: fijal off | 09:08 | |
| arigato | I guess not, because the conversion from \r\n to \n should be done already by the read() | 09:08 |
| arigato | fijal: see you | 09:08 |
| arigato | that's why the resulting string should be split only on \n: it's already converted to this format | 09:09 |
| xorAxAx | arigato: also there is universal unicode mode that might influence the behaviour of readlines | 09:09 |
| arigato | yes, I tried it too, but the same argument as my previous line seems to apply | 09:10 |
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| kenaan | 12arigo default 11c98931f5191b 15/pypy/module/_file/interp_file.py: Rewrite the algorithm of readlines() based on the hypothesis that it is equivalent to read() followed by splitting ... | 09:23 |
| ronny | arigato: doesnt that make a 2N memory requirement? | 09:25 |
| arigato | ronny: yes | 09:25 |
| arigato | "too bad" is the standard answer for now | 09:26 |
| arigato | I suppose it could be fixed by reading chunks of a few MBs at most | 09:26 |
| arigato | of course it's a complete mess to build a lldebug version of pypy on windows | 09:30 |
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| cfbolz | slightly random set of checkins coming | 09:37 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 116418ef5bfbf7 15/pypy/objspace/std/smalltupleobject.py: these loops are unrolled anyway, directly access the correct attribute instead of going through a switch again. | 09:37 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 11c15bbb59c756 15/pypy/objspace/std/smalltupleobject.py: similarly, no need to call length here | 09:37 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 117c022d2fff84 15/pypy/objspace/std/slicetype.py: reduce code duplication | 09:37 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 11c0f86162108b 15/pypy/objspace/std/: some of the _convert_idx_params implementations are rather nonsensical (and of course they are copied here and the... | 09:37 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 1181222f34969f 15/pypy/objspace/std/: reuse the new helper here too | 09:37 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 11843cfd1d8ce5 15/pypy/objspace/std/: more places | 09:37 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 11257c829ce3c1 15/pypy/objspace/std/stringobject.py: simplify _convert_idx_params | 09:37 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 11bd1e2ea19fa3 15/pypy/objspace/std/test/test_listobject.py: a test that now passes, after the refactorings. however, it fails on cpython | 09:37 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 112e617066124d 15/pypy/objspace/std/: rename this function to be non-official. it can lead to bugs because the caller has to check for None | 09:37 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 11a2743a169e88 15/pypy/: merge | 09:37 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 117e5b7f49a9f0 15/pypy/objspace/std/test/test_listobject.py: woops, wrong class | 09:37 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 1154f86b92c275 15/pypy/objspace/std/stringobject.py: I knew that running a translation first was a good idea | 09:38 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 11ba2d6fdc947d 15/pypy/objspace/std/stringobject.py: replace other two specialize calls as well | 09:38 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 11ff9f3efc4c62 15/pypy/module/_file/interp_file.py: merge | 09:38 |
| arigato | :-) | 09:41 |
| ronny | hum | 09:42 |
| cfbolz | ronny: ? | 09:45 |
| Action: arigato trying to understand the behavior of vstrings again and failing | 09:45 | |
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| cfbolz | arigato: haha | 09:45 |
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| arigato | aaaaaaaah I seeeeeeeee | 09:47 |
| ronny | oh fun | 09:48 |
| ronny | cpythons json module has a strange bug it seems | 09:48 |
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| ronny | hmm | 10:12 |
| ronny | ok, pypy's json does the wrong thing it seems | 10:13 |
| ronny | makes str instead of unicode | 10:13 |
| arigato | ah, I think maybe I see a way to trigger another vstring bug | 10:14 |
| arigato | it could explain the pypy issue | 10:14 |
| arigato | I already fixed it by cleaning up the logic to detect uninitialized chars --- now I'm trying to reverse-engineer a bug that my diff fixes :-) | 10:15 |
| kenaan | 12hager ppc-jit-backend 11724de1b4f87e 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/opassembler.py: If functions with many (> 8) arguments are called, pass every parameter ove the 8th on the stack. | 10:15 |
| ronny | hmm | 10:18 |
| ronny | it doesnt | 10:18 |
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| dalke | arigato: Are you only talking about .readlines() for universal mode? After all, in Windows in text mode you can read a file with "\n\r\n"; I believe that's a single line, while doing read().split("\n") (plus result[1]+="\n") treats it as two lines. | 10:23 |
| arigato | dalke: I think that it's two lines in both cases | 10:24 |
| dalke | I don't have a Windows box where I can test that. | 10:25 |
| arigato | I don't see what's wrong with my abstract reasoning "read() should only return \n", but I may be wrong | 10:26 |
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| kenaan | 12arigo default 114c8fd4b0ca57 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/vstring.py: Attempt to fix generally the issue of VStringPlainValue that can be forced before being fully built --- e.g. becaus... | 10:35 |
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| dalke | arigato: read() in text mode on Windows converts '\r\n' -> '\n', but if there's a '\n' already in the file then it's going to leave that newline there. After processing, .split('\n') can't tell if the newline comes from the first case or the second case. | 10:38 |
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| dalke | While of course .splitlines() can tell. | 10:43 |
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| arigato | dalke: the question is what readlines() would return then | 10:45 |
| Action: arigato tries | 10:45 | |
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| arigato | it returns ['\n', '\n'] too | 10:46 |
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| dalke | What that opened in text mode or binary mode? | 10:47 |
| dalke | What->was | 10:47 |
| arigato | works too: in text mode it's the same, and in binary mode readlines() returns ['\n', '\r\n'] | 10:47 |
| arigato | so it seems that in all cases readlines() returns read() splitted after each \n | 10:48 |
| dalke | Okay, then question withdrawn. | 10:48 |
| cfbolz | :-) | 10:49 |
| arigato | there may be issues with readlines(size) though... | 10:49 |
| Action: arigato checks more | 10:49 | |
| arigato | no, it seems to be fine in all cases, because readlines(size) uses read(size), which exports an already-\n-ified string | 10:51 |
| dalke | Okay. Leaving now to run errands. Afterwards (around 13-13.30) I'll be at the sprint site to work on f2pypy. | 10:53 |
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| arigato | :-) | 10:53 |
| cfbolz | we have a bit messy code absolutely everywhere | 10:57 |
| arigato | :-/ | 10:57 |
| cfbolz | I am wondering whether we should do topic-weeks sometimes | 10:58 |
| cfbolz | "cleanup-week" | 10:58 |
| cfbolz | "tracing-time improvement week" | 10:58 |
| cfbolz | "executable-size week" | 10:58 |
| arigato | :-) | 10:58 |
| arigato | maybe, yes | 10:58 |
| arigato | although "cleanup-week" is probably a lost cause | 10:58 |
| arigato | anto just arrived, we'll have a sprint planning now :-) | 10:59 |
| cfbolz | good | 10:59 |
| cfbolz | arigato: you mean we need "cleanup-year" :-) | 10:59 |
| arigato | :-) | 11:00 |
| arigato | yes | 11:00 |
| arigato | or "cleanup-this-specific-part" | 11:00 |
| cfbolz | right | 11:00 |
| kenaan | 12hager ppc-jit-backend 118157df3c66e8 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/opassembler.py: Handle stack alignment in emit_call | 11:07 |
| kenaan | 12hager ppc-jit-backend 11044df512a0f2 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/regalloc.py: Do sanity check | 11:07 |
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| CIA-24 | 03arigo 07roundup * 10#920/Lost data with async I/O: | 11:12 |
| CIA-24 | I have made some comments on irc and asked fijal to post them here, but he | 11:12 |
| CIA-24 | didn't, so please look here: | 11:12 |
| CIA-24 | http://www.tismer.com/pypy/irc-logs/pypy ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue920 | 11:12 |
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| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 11efc0bc4d9ef5 15/pypy/jit/backend/arm/conditions.py: add condition codes for unsigned lower and unsigned higher or same | 11:22 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 117cb3b3ddfee2 15/pypy/jit/backend/test/runner_test.py: add some more tests for intergers and guards to cover unary and unsigned cmp ops | 11:22 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 11518a528ba0b8 15/pypy/jit/backend/arm/: remove the inverse argument for the register allocation of cmp operations and use the correct correct conditi... | 11:22 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 11b797d85e31a7 15/pypy/jit/backend/arm/: refactor a bit the generation of functions that emit code for cmp operations | 11:22 |
| amaury_ | cfbolz: about bd1e2ea19fa3, it's not a CPython bug | 11:23 |
| amaury_ | it's something that was implemented in 2.7 | 11:23 |
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| amaury_ | cfbolz: oops, forget this :-( | 11:25 |
| amaury_ | I was testing on string, not list | 11:26 |
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| khs | hi, is the stuff in lib-python/modified-2.7 RPython implementations of Python libraries? | 11:45 |
| kenaan | 12arigo extradoc 1193a337edf716 15/sprintinfo/gothenburg-2011-2/planning.txt: Planning. | 11:46 |
| kenaan | 12arigo extradoc 118831869b67ff 15/talk/iwtc11/benchmarks/: merge heads | 11:46 |
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| khs | is there a json module for rpython? | 11:53 |
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| ronny | khs: nop, what do you intend to do? | 12:00 |
| ronny | khs: its relatively easy to make a parser for it using rlib.parsing | 12:01 |
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| khs | ronny: ok, i've dumped Core (an intermediate format used by ghc for haskell compilation) to a variant parseable by a json parser, and want to use that for the pypy haskell interpreter. | 12:03 |
| cfbolz | khs: you will have to write an rpython json parser | 12:05 |
| cfbolz | amaury_: yes, what I found is just another method | 12:05 |
| ronny | khs: i see, then all you need is a simple parser, there is a example in the rlib.parsing doccs i think | 12:11 |
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| arigato | fwiw, the fixing of vstring I just did did not improve anything | 12:18 |
| Alex_Gaynor | cfbolz: doesn't the docs for rlib.parsing contain a JSON parser? | 12:20 |
| Alex_Gaynor | (morning all) | 12:20 |
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| mattip | After my partially successful descr_repr week, I would like to implement simple array math on numpy-multidim. | 12:36 |
| cfbolz | Alex_Gaynor: yes, something like that | 12:37 |
| mattip | The idea is that it would be quicker to do handle small 2d "matrices" in rpytohn rather than the full blas/lapack route | 12:37 |
| mattip | I think all would be happier if I worked on a branch from numpy-multidim, correct? | 12:38 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Yes, a further branch would be good | 12:38 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Attempting to compile GCC and PyPy at the saem time, I think my CPU hates me | 12:39 |
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| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 11256f96157565 15/pypy/objspace/std/unicodeobject.py: similarly simplify some unicode code | 12:59 |
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| kenaan | 12ctismer win64_gborg 1196b9f3051fa4 15/pypy/rpython/lltypesystem/: disabled errno check on win64 and py 2.7.2 - ctypes bug | 13:33 |
| arigato | I'm closing on the bug of '\x00' in front of negative numbers | 13:40 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: did your commit earlier not fix it? | 13:40 |
| arigato | no | 13:40 |
| Alex_Gaynor | ah that was just organizational | 13:40 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64_gborg 11bed6d5ad754f 15/pypy/: disabled errno check on win64 and py 2.7.2 - ctypes bug | 13:41 |
| arigato | yes, well, it was also hopefully fixing it but not :-) | 13:41 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: the issue is because of a constant string: | 13:41 |
| arigato | we have before optimization code like | 13:41 |
| arigato | strsetitem(ConstPtr(ptr31), 0, i30) | 13:41 |
| arigato | i31 = strgetitem(ConstPtr(ptr31), 0) | 13:42 |
| arigato | this gets optimized into | 13:42 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: uhhh, you should never have a strsetitem on a ConstPtr IMO | 13:42 |
| Alex_Gaynor | that seems always wrong | 13:42 |
| arigato | strsetitem(ConstPtr(ptr31), 0, i30) | 13:42 |
| arigato | i31 = 0 | 13:42 |
| arigato | yes | 13:42 |
| Action: arigato lunch | 13:44 | |
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| Alex_Gaynor | bon apetite | 13:46 |
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| amaury_ | so, is this '\x00' bug fixed or not? | 14:10 |
| cfbolz | amaury_: seems not | 14:10 |
| amaury_ | :-( | 14:10 |
| Alex_Gaynor | amaury_: armin seems to have an idea about how to fix it though, and I have some idea about how to reproduce it, although I'm nots ure how to generate such code in the real world | 14:11 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 1120285b132dca 15/pypy/objspace/std/test/test_sliceobject.py: also add a test for indices4 | 14:15 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | cfbolz: btw I ran a benchmark run of list-strategies, but it blew up when uploading to the server, do you have any idea what you need to do to benchmark a branch? | 14:18 |
| cfbolz | Alex_Gaynor: no clue | 14:19 |
| cfbolz | Alex_Gaynor: just use the benchmark runner to compare | 14:19 |
| Alex_Gaynor | you mean read teh numbers manually? | 14:19 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I did that, they're mostly the same but a tiny bit slower, I have no idea if it's stastically significant, except slowspitfire which is much faster IIRC | 14:20 |
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| Eventh | Is PyPy supported by any known companies or organizations? I'm writing a small paper. PSF provides the mailing list? Do you guys get anything special from bitbucket or read the docs? | 14:33 |
| Eventh | Did you have hosting from ep.io? who provides the build bots? | 14:33 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I think bitbucket might provide us a larger account than you usually get for free, I'm not sure though. (They did give us t-shirts). | 14:34 |
| Eventh | Ok | 14:34 |
| Alex_Gaynor | RTFD is free for everyone. | 14:34 |
| durin42 | There's no quota limits on bitbucket anymore | 14:34 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Not sure who provides the buildbots, espsecially tannit which is a very nice large machine. | 14:34 |
| durin42 | at least, not any published limit, I'm sure they have a limit for sanity somewhere. | 14:34 |
| Eventh | I'll try and google that | 14:34 |
| lucian | durin42: i haven't been able to find it. i used to have /home in a repo | 14:35 |
| durin42 | lucian: Oh, when they first announced removal of quotas I threatened to make a 700g repo just to see what they'd do :P | 14:35 |
| durin42 | They were not amused :) | 14:35 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Nah, I know those guys, they probably were amused by couldn't say it. | 14:36 |
| Eventh | Beside quora, is there any known large companies which use PyPy in production? | 14:37 |
| xorAxAx | most users dont tell ;) | 14:38 |
| durin42 | Alex_Gaynor: I know them too, they thought it was funny but asked me not to | 14:38 |
| arigato | argh | 14:52 |
| cfbolz | Eventh: google gave us some money at some point | 14:52 |
| arigato | some tests are miswritten: copystrcontent(p0, i0, p1, i1, i2) instead of copystrcontent(p0, p1, i0, i1, i2) | 14:53 |
| cfbolz | whoa | 14:53 |
| cfbolz | Eventh: tannit is provided by Open End (openend.se) | 14:53 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: :( | 14:53 |
| cfbolz | Alex_Gaynor: no, I meant using the unladen swallow benchmark script with two pypy execs, it tells you whether it's statistically significant or not | 14:54 |
| Alex_Gaynor | cfbolz: ah yes, I could do that :) | 14:55 |
| arigato | ah, only one test. good | 14:55 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: I have a fix, want me to commit? | 14:56 |
| Eventh | ok cfbolz, thanks | 14:56 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: ah :-) | 14:57 |
| Eventh | I think GvR mentioned google was going to give more regarding py3k support in his speach at drop box two weeks ago | 14:57 |
| arigato | yes, go ahead | 14:57 |
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| arigato | what I did so far is add asserts that we never generate STRSETITEM(ConstPtr(..), ..) | 14:57 |
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| arigato | I was planning to check it in and run "pypy translate.py" again until I see it crash | 14:57 |
| kenaan | 12alex_gaynor default 110bfda46664f9 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/test/test_optimizeopt.py: (arigato mostly) fix optimizeopt tests that had the arguments to copystrcontent in the wrong order | 14:58 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: I see how you can get it, but now how it happens | 14:58 |
| arigato | ah oh, for *this*, sorry | 14:58 |
| arigato | ok :-) | 14:58 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: ah yes, nothing exciting :) | 14:58 |
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| kenaan | 12arigo default 1102a2ce422c4c 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/: Add asserts and fix a test. The main point of the asserts is to catch obscure cases where we generate a residual o... | 14:59 |
| kenaan | 12arigo default 11a42afd412616 15/pypy/: merge heads | 14:59 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: If you fill all the chars of a str with consts, force it it'll generate a const, and then if you do another strsetitem it'll do it on the const. however that seems wrong because you'dneed to have 2 strsetitems on the same string | 14:59 |
| arigato | indeed | 15:00 |
| arigato | maybe you can force the string with a copystrcontent | 15:00 |
| arigato | ...but then it should not generate a const | 15:00 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | right | 15:00 |
| Alex_Gaynor | you shouldn't get a const if there are any unitialized zero vals in it | 15:01 |
| arigato | but what occurs across bridges is a bit underspecified | 15:01 |
| Alex_Gaynor | how do you mean? | 15:02 |
| arigato | e.g. are we sure that a CVAL_UNINITIALIZED_ZERO remains a CVAL_UNINITIALIZED_ZERO after passing through a bridge? | 15:02 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Somehow I fear no. | 15:02 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Is hakanardo at the sprint? | 15:02 |
| arigato | yes | 15:02 |
| Alex_Gaynor | ask him :) | 15:02 |
| manus_ | Hello i'm having some trouble with the jitviewer, | 15:02 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato, cfbolz: does resume data encode Consts as a ptr to the box, or as the raw const val? | 15:04 |
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| manus_ | i'm using pypy 1.6 and when i try to run jitviewer.py log.pypylog it came up with this exception ImportError: No module named __name__ | 15:04 |
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| manus_ | i google that, but could'n find anything | 15:04 |
| lucian | manus_: try a nightly | 15:05 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: indeed | 15:05 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | manus_: I think this means you have a too-recent version of flask installed, and we have a bug that's exposed by it, can you try installing Flask==0.7.2 | 15:05 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: time to remove this hack | 15:06 |
| arigato | from vstring.py | 15:06 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: indeed that would cause an error, or indeed it encodes consts as raw values? | 15:06 |
| manus_ | thanks Alex_Gaynor and thanks lucian | 15:06 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: which hack? | 15:06 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: indeed both: it encodes consts as raw values, and that would cause the error we are seeing | 15:06 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: vstring.py uses CVAL_UNINITIALIZED_ZERO, which is a particular ConstInt(0), as meaning something different than a "normal" ConstInt(0) | 15:07 |
| arigato | it's zero, but actually it's an uninitialized zero | 15:07 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: I suppose rather than use a special value we should do something clear | 15:08 |
| arigato | yes | 15:08 |
| Alex_Gaynor | err clean* | 15:08 |
| arigato | clear too :-) | 15:08 |
| arigato | like storing None instead of ConstInt(..) | 15:08 |
| Alex_Gaynor | :) | 15:08 |
| arigato | or maybe using ConstInt(0x80000000) | 15:09 |
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| arigato | but that's obscure, so no :-) | 15:09 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: isn't that valid for unicode strings? | 15:09 |
| arigato | no, I think not | 15:09 |
| arigato | but that's too obscure | 15:09 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I suppose rules that require you to understand the rules of unicode are not clear | 15:09 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Or particularly clean | 15:09 |
| arigato | yes | 15:09 |
| arigato | yes :-) | 15:09 |
| Action: arigato tries to go for None | 15:09 | |
| Alex_Gaynor | the trick is to distinguish between 0 and we just didn't initialize it, or 0 and it may have been set by someone else | 15:10 |
| arigato | er | 15:10 |
| Alex_Gaynor | eg escape(new(3)) shouldn't generate strsetitem(x, 0) I think | 15:11 |
| arigato | yes, but now I see that it's actually not a ConstInt, but rather a ConstantValue | 15:11 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: yes, but that's more a local hack | 15:11 |
| Alex_Gaynor | local hacks are prefereable to global hacks | 15:12 |
| arigato | definitely | 15:12 |
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| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 1143676b026018 15/pypy/objspace/std/boolobject.py: negative bools??! | 15:23 |
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| arigato | cfbolz: of course | 15:31 |
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| cfbolz | arigato: wonderful, isn't it? | 15:35 |
| arigato | :-) | 15:35 |
| cfbolz | arigato: also, I am discovering that bytearrays don't work when you disable any other string implementation | 15:36 |
| Alex_Gaynor | cfbolz: they're also supe inefficient for most string operations | 15:36 |
| arigato | cfbolz: not surprized | 15:36 |
| cfbolz | Alex_Gaynor: yes, I don't care about slow right now, more about broken | 15:37 |
| cfbolz | ah, might still work because of delegation | 15:37 |
| cfbolz | except for ropes | 15:37 |
| cfbolz | (which I might not care about now) | 15:37 |
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| arigato | hum | 15:59 |
| arigato | if I add 'asserts' in vstring.py that check that all strsetitem() occur on an uninitialized location | 16:00 |
| arigato | and that strgetitem seem not to occur on an uninitizalized location | 16:01 |
| arigato | would I break the world? | 16:01 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: I think it's valid to read an unitialized location, because unitialized can also mean "I didn't feel like setting 0" I think. OTOH the strsetitem thing is valid I think | 16:06 |
| Alex_Gaynor | You should never set the same value twice in an immutable structure | 16:06 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: it's a bit unclear | 16:07 |
| Alex_Gaynor | which part? (or both) | 16:07 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: I suppose "I didn't feel like setting 0" can occur from code that checks malloc_zero_filled, indeed | 16:07 |
| arigato | ok | 16:07 |
| arigato | so after a strgetitem() that returns 0 because it's uninitialized, then it should no longer be uninitialized | 16:08 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | uhm, interesting question. I suppose yes | 16:09 |
| Alex_Gaynor | otherwise you're reading nonsense, instead of just "0" | 16:09 |
| Alex_Gaynor | since strgetitem is pure, yes it must be the case | 16:10 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: ok | 16:10 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: and if that breaks stuff, I guess we have bugs :) | 16:10 |
| arigato | :-) | 16:10 |
| Action: arigato tries to write a precise definition of ._chars | 16:10 | |
| Alex_Gaynor | "Working code is pea soup" | 16:11 |
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| arigato | gooooood, starts to make sense | 16:17 |
| Alex_Gaynor | making sense is good | 16:20 |
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| arigato | kills all the code I added today, too :-) | 16:21 |
| Alex_Gaynor | good. :? | 16:22 |
| arigato | pom pom why does test_str_slice_plain_virtual fail so obscurely now... | 16:24 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: FWWIW I added that test the other day for a similar issue, IIRC | 16:24 |
| Alex_Gaynor | how does it fail? | 16:25 |
| arigato | yes, I know, it's a nice test showing the issues in that part of the code | 16:25 |
| arigato | now for no reason I understand, it produces "copystrcontent(p0, p0, ...)" | 16:25 |
| Alex_Gaynor | thats... interesting, can you paste your patch? | 16:26 |
| arigato | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/502866/ | 16:27 |
| arigato | ah, it's in _really_force() | 16:28 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I'd tell you that you also have a PDB in here, but I suspect you know :) | 16:29 |
| arigato | yes :-) | 16:29 |
| Action: arigato tries to reverse-engineer vstring.py which is delicate stuff with hacks on top | 16:30 | |
| arigato | (from my point of view) | 16:30 |
| Alex_Gaynor | yes, somehow vstring is less simple than the other virtuals IMO | 16:30 |
| Eventh | Is the number of tests in the pypy test suite written down anywhere? | 16:33 |
| Alex_Gaynor | over 16k, but that number is from a while ago, we've added more since then | 16:34 |
| Eventh | Do you know where that number is from, can it be referenced? | 16:34 |
| exarkun | There are a lot of different kinds of tests | 16:34 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Eventh: I think it's in the py.test documentation TBH | 16:34 |
| exarkun | http://buildbot.pypy.org/summary?branch=%3Ctrunk%3E has some numbers. | 16:35 |
| Eventh | ok | 16:35 |
| exarkun | eg 17724 for own-linux-x86-64 | 16:35 |
| Eventh | great | 16:35 |
| Eventh | thanks | 16:35 |
| exarkun | But then 2635 for own-macosx-x86-32... | 16:35 |
| Alex_Gaynor | exarkun: it doesn't finish running, it dies for some reason | 16:36 |
| Alex_Gaynor | :/ | 16:36 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I think that machine is underpowered or something | 16:36 |
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| Saab- | hi all, I'm trying to run pypy on ubuntu 11.04, and I'm getting that libffi issue | 17:54 |
| Saab- | should i grab a nightly release? | 17:54 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64_gborg 11ac60a3708bc3 15/pypy/doc/discussion/win64_todo.txt: added file to memorize things to do. | 17:57 |
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| arigato | Saab-: yes, try it out, it may help (hopefully) | 18:00 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: yayü | 18:00 |
| arigato | yay! | 18:00 |
| arigato | pypy can translate itself again | 18:01 |
| Saab- | ok, I'm looking at these nightly builds, is there one that is green in both columns that I should use? | 18:01 |
| Saab- | http://buildbot.pypy.org/nightly/trunk/ | 18:01 |
| kenaan | 12arigo default 1123f5428f3b52 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/: Change VStringPlainValue, refactoring and giving a long explanation of the meaning of '_chars' and when it contains... | 18:01 |
| arigato | Saab-: I would recommend 48675 | 18:02 |
| Saab- | ok I'm gonna try http://buildbot.pypy.org/nightly/trunk/pypy-c-jit-48675-3150cc438a42-linux64.tar.bz2 | 18:04 |
| arigato | ok, please confirm if it works | 18:06 |
| Saab- | [PyPy 1.6.1-dev0 with GCC 4.4.3] on linux2 | 18:07 |
| Saab- | >>>> | 18:07 |
| Saab- | :) | 18:07 |
| arigato | great :-) | 18:07 |
| Saab- | thanks a lot | 18:07 |
| arigato | np | 18:07 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: yay! | 18:08 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: uh ISTM this disables one of the optimizations for slicing a vstrplainvalue | 18:13 |
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| Saab- | when i start using pypy, should i copy my site-available python 2.7 packages? | 18:42 |
| Saab- | to pypy's site-available? | 18:43 |
| Saab- | or should i redownload and install | 18:43 |
| Alex_Gaynor | no, we reccomend using virtualenv and installing your dependencies into it | 18:43 |
| Saab- | ok | 18:43 |
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| Insectoid | MemoryError :( | 19:09 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: mmm, slightl silliness http://paste.pocoo.org/show/502958/ | 19:17 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: sorry, we had dinner | 19:26 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: I killed a case in the source code that seemed (naively) to be unnecessary (already handled below), and more importantly, did not break tests :-) | 19:27 |
| arigato | hum, why isn't the strgetitem folded... | 19:28 |
| Saab- | hey Alex_Gaynor, sry to keep bothering you. so I've got pypy in a virtualenv, do i just do pip install and it will install packages against pypy? | 19:31 |
| Saab- | what about something like lxml that uses libxml underneath? | 19:32 |
| Saab- | kinda new to how this all works :/ | 19:32 |
| Saab- | ahh i see that it isn't compatible | 19:32 |
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| Action: arigato fixes | 19:39 | |
| arigato | ...the strgetitem issue | 19:40 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: well, it's not folded because that newstr() never goes through the virtualizer | 19:44 |
| kenaan | 12arigo default 1198bf21b80fc5 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/: Another case: strgetitem on a VStringConcatValue can be resolved if we know statically on which half of the two-par... | 19:44 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: no, pdb'ing shows a different issue | 19:44 |
| arigato | it was not optimized because strgetitem would always force a VStringConcatValue | 19:44 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: yes, but I'm saying alternative you could view it as ok that the concat is forced, but perhaps the newstr should re-virtualize | 19:45 |
| arigato | I don't understand, the newstr in this example occur before the strconcat and the forcing | 19:46 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: the newstr in my paste's expected really comes from the Concat being forced, it isn't he same as the original newstr, AFAICT | 19:46 |
| arigato | yes | 19:47 |
| arigato | it's the newstr of 1+0 characters, not the original newstr of 1 character :-) | 19:47 |
| arigato | and the strgetitem is done on this newstr | 19:47 |
| arigato | not on the original virtualized one of 1 character | 19:47 |
| Alex_Gaynor | right, I'm saying in theory you could make this newstr go through the virtualizer | 19:47 |
| Alex_Gaynor | (the new newstr :P) | 19:48 |
| arigato | ah | 19:48 |
| arigato | sorry, yes | 19:48 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | I'm not sure this helps non-trivial examples though | 19:48 |
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| arigato | indeed | 19:49 |
| arigato | I'm not sure but I think that what I just checked in is actually more powerful at least in some cases | 19:49 |
| Alex_Gaynor | yes, probably, perhaps even more so if we had a way of expressing symbolic relationships | 19:50 |
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