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kenaan12hakanardo jit-targets 115dcec5762796 15/: hg merge jit-refactor-tests09:02
kenaan12hakanardo jit-targets 11f109778eb791 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/test/: fixed test09:02
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stakkarshowdy, all!09:25
stakkarsis there somebody experienced with buildbot?09:25
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stakkarsI always get a retry when I'm trying to get a win64 build' output.09:27
stakkarsthe log file grows to ver 300 mb size, and I suspect that is the reason for 'connection lost'.09:28
antocunistakkars: http://buildbot.pypy.org/one_line_per_build09:28
antocuniyes indeed, it says "slave lost"09:28
stakkarsWhich is not true, the connection is there, but the build master seems to decide to re-start09:28
antocuniare you sure that you don't close by mistake the window in which the buildslave runs?09:29
antocuni(e.g., by logging out of the rdesktop)09:29
stakkarsno, I'm permanently logged into the windows box which is running in linux, and I attach to the linux box09:31
antocunithen, no clue :-/09:31
antocuniyou could ask for help in #buildbot09:31
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antocuni(if it exists)09:31
stakkarsno, I can look at my instance, logging on and off, and see the task manager and how the process grows over 2.4 GB09:32
stakkarsI raised the machine size to 16 GB, so all I could do is done.09:32
Alex_Gaynorantocuni: morning, does ffi struct have a getarrayitem_raw thing, or only getfield_raw?09:33
antocunionly getfield so far09:33
stakkarssince I have no write access to the master (or do I?), I cannot disable those tests which crewte an infinite recursion09:33
Alex_Gaynorantocuni: how much work do you think it would be to add array?09:34
antocuninot much, I think09:34
antocunibut I don't know when I'll be able to work on it09:34
antocuniand I'd like to finish ffistruct before09:34
Alex_Gaynordoes the work require the ffistruct branch, or is it independent?09:35
antocuniwhat do you need it for? Can't you use array.array?09:35
Alex_GaynorI need it for the numpy-dtype-refactor09:35
antocuniI think it's independent to ffistruct09:36
Alex_Gaynorok, I'll look into it then, thanks09:36
antocunito teach the jit about it, you would have to write a new arraydescrof_dynamic method on the cpu09:36
stakkarsantocuni: can I edit the BB config on wyvern?09:36
antocunisimilar to calldescrof_dynamic (in trunch) and fielddescrof_dynamic (in ffistruct)09:37
antocunistakkars: you can try to login as buildmaster@wyvern09:37
antocuniwith ssh, it should work09:37
antocunibut what do you want to do?09:37
stakkarsI would like to run a different, reduced test set09:38
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antocuniuhm, I think you can do it on a per-machine way09:38
antocunilet me check09:38
stakkarsI think the stuff produces too much output09:38
stakkarsarigato: hi! are you at the conference?09:39
antocunistakkars: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/506657/09:39
antocunithis is my ~/machine_cfg.py09:39
arigatobah, MemoryError when trying to load buildbot.pypy.org09:39
arigatostakkars: hi! yes09:39
antocuniit means that if I run the whole tests on my machine, only rlib/rsdl will be exectued09:39
antocuninot sure where do you have to put that file on windows, though09:40
stakkarsantocuni: I even suspect that it is the master causing the problem, because it cannot cope with my log size09:40
arigatothat's likely09:40
antocuniarigato: buildbot.pypy.org works fine for me09:40
arigatoeven /summary?09:41
antocuniyes09:41
antocunistakkars: still, if you want to run a reduced set of tests, editing machine_cfg.py is the easiest thing to do09:41
antocunistakkars: ah, you can also set the PYPYCHERRYPICK variable, I think09:42
arigatoantocuni: http://buildbot.pypy.org/summary?branch=%3Ctrunk%3E works fine, but I mean really http://buildbot.pypy.org/summary09:42
arigatoi.e. anything that would display the branch win64-stable109:42
antocuniah ok09:42
antocunistakkars: the PYPYCHERRYPICK *environment* variable, I mean09:43
antocuniarigato: yes, it crashes :-/09:43
stakkarsantocuni: does that work with this config? I mean machine_cfg is honored by the master?09:44
antocunistakkars: the master doesn't play any role here09:44
antocuniit just tells the slave what to run09:45
antocuniand the the testrunner, which is run on the slave, honors the machine_cfg and PYPYCHERRYPICK09:45
stakkarsand I change that locally on the slave?09:46
antocuniyes, of course: ~/machine_cfg.py is in a place which is outside the buildslave control09:46
antocunistakkars: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-32/builds/1836/steps/shell_6/logs/stdio09:48
antocunilook at the first line09:48
antocunipython testrunner/runner.py --logfile=testrun.log etc. etc.09:48
antocunithis is the exact command which is run by the buildslave09:48
arigatobelieve it or not, but test_stdobjspace fails beause of e9f7368da478, which is completely entirely unrelated09:48
antocuniso you can just try to tweak your local config, execute it manually, and check that it does what you expect09:49
antocunithen, you can try to run buildbot again09:49
arigatobah no09:49
arigatoit's random09:49
stakkarsantocuni: ah, I do a local change and run that locally, I see.09:50
antocuniarigato: yes, I was goind to say "I don't believe it"09:50
stakkarsand when I see what happens and fixed the major problems, I can use the BB again. right?09:50
antocunistakkars: as long as your local change is outside the hg checkout (e.g. ~/machine_cfg.py), then it's going to stay even when you run it through buildbot09:51
antocunistakkars: no09:51
antocuniyou can use buildbot right now, as long as you edit ~/machine_cfg.py09:51
antocuniwhy do you keep asking me questions if you don't believe in what I answer? :-(09:51
stakkarsah, ok. I was wondering because I never touched such a file, so I thought it would come from outside every time.09:52
antocunistakkars: not if is in your home directory (or whatever os.path.expanduser returns on windows)09:52
antocunithe buildslave will touch only the things which are in its own directory09:53
stakkarsantocuni: it is not believing, it is understanding. Really, I appreciate your help.09:53
antocuniok. Then edit ~/machine_cfg.py and be happy :-)09:53
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merwokIve been surprised to see that distutils was running on PyPy10:09
merwokIve tried to run distutils2 with it too and it looks like it would not be hard to support it (and add pypy to our tox config!)10:10
Alex_Gaynormerwok: AFAIK we pass all the tests, except the ones about parsing CPython's makefile (why is that in distutils!)10:11
timonatorisn't distribute supposed to replace any kind of distutils setup?10:11
Alex_Gaynordistribute became distutils2/packaging, IIRC10:11
merwoktimonator: not really10:11
merwokThe main problem is that our tests require that sysconfig.get_config_var('SO') returns the file extension used for extension modules; in PyPys modified sysconfig there is special code for that10:11
merwokAlex_Gaynor: In intent maybe, but the codebases are quite different10:11
merwokSee http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6344076/differences-between-distribute-distutils-and-setuptools10:11
Alex_Gaynordistribute is a setuptools fork, distutils2 is a distutils follow up, IIRC10:12
merwokWe have an open bug to fix sysconfig for PyPy and IronPython in the 2.7.3 stdlib10:12
Alex_Gaynorwe just ship a modified sysconfig I think10:12
merwokWouldnt it be nice to share one stdlib?10:13
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timonatorah, i see.10:13
Alex_Gaynoryes, it would10:13
merwokIt looks like fixing sysconfig, site and distutils would not be hard10:13
merwokHow should we go about doing that?  I can add you to the nosy lists of bugs.python.org bugs10:13
Alex_GaynorI'm not sure TBH (also it's 5:30 AM and I should be tired), I would speak to amaury about it :)10:15
merwokIll hang around in this room more!10:16
Action: merwok loves PyPy10:16
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squeaky_plstrange, my deadlocking code that I couldntreproduce deadlocking on cPython runs OK on PyPy as soon as i refactored it in a way I got rid of RLocks. I think I'm just brain-farted :D10:50
merwokIs there a developers guide for PyPy?  (a set of documents to see whos who, what the roadmap is, etc.)10:51
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Alex_Gaynorantocuni: FWIW I just realized I really need dynamic getinteriorfield_raw, not arrayitem11:11
Alex_Gaynoralthough getionteriofield_gc is really just a MUL, and then indexing stuff, I guess I could do this as MUL + dynamic getfield_raw, if we merged part of your branch in 11:13
merwokStill not in bed? :)11:14
Alex_Gaynorwell, I'm in bed, I just also have a laptop :)11:14
Alex_GaynorThere's really something to be said for contemplating x86 addressing at 6:30 i the morning11:15
merwokI do that too11:15
merwokIve seen a PyPy topic about coding in bed11:15
merwok(I do that too ’ coding in bed, not the weird address stuff)11:15
Action: merwok doesnt do low-level11:15
bbot213Exception: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-64/builds/31 [12Christian Tismer, win64-stage1]11:17
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Alex_Gaynormerwok: me neither, it creeps up on you when you aren't looking11:18
merwokI write Python11:19
merwokLow-level things dont creep up on me11:19
merwokOkay, I did write a couple patches to C code, but its still not assembly11:19
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antocuniAlex_Gaynor: what does getinteriorfield do again?11:20
Alex_Gaynorantocuni: reads a field out of an array of structs11:20
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Alex_Gaynorit's a generalization of getarrayitem, I suppose11:21
antocuniah, I see11:21
antocuniit's the equivalent of C's myarray[i].myfield11:21
Alex_Gaynormerwok: I write Python too, some of it is coincidentally RPython :)11:21
Alex_GaynorYes11:21
Action: arigato fixes test_stdobjspace11:21
antocuniAlex_Gaynor: maybe in ffistruct there is everything you need already11:22
arigato...by hopefully cleaning up '_interplevel_classes', which is now a dict-order-dependent thing11:22
Alex_Gaynorantocuni: could be, the problem is if you do it this way you have a MUL operation, rather than using x86 addressing magic11:22
antocuniAlex_Gaynor: look at rlib.libffi.struct_getfield_{int,longlong,...}11:23
Alex_Gaynorantocuni: on your branch?11:23
antocuniyes11:23
antocunithey take the base address and the offset11:23
antocuniand read a field out of it11:23
antocunibut indeed, you would need to compute the offset by hand11:24
Alex_Gaynorantocuni: well, there are 2 parts to the offset for an array though, you have base + WIDTH * index + OFFSET, where the caps are constants11:24
Alex_Gaynorand if OFFSET in {1,2,4,8} you can do all the addressing in x86 magic, no extra instructions11:25
Alex_Gaynorerr, I mean if WIDTH is in that11:25
stakkarsantocuni: thanks, that worked. (after I understood that this cfg is a file that does not exist ;-) )11:26
antocunistakkars: cool :-)11:26
antocuniAlex_Gaynor: well, in theory that's something that the backend (or an optimizeopt pass) can optimize by itself, if it recognizes the expression to compute the address11:27
Alex_Gaynora peephope optimization :)11:27
antocunibut maybe it's cleaner to have a separate interface for that, I don't know11:27
merwokSee you11:28
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Alex_GaynorWell, perhaps it makes sense unify interiorfield and arrayitem in the JIT, and let the backend decide which to emit11:28
Alex_Gaynorarigato: Do you have a thought on ^?11:28
kenaan12arigo default 11b0c70fdea6b5 15/pypy/objspace/std/: Add the requirement that W_XxxObject classes that are different implementations of the same app-level type should i...11:29
antocuniAlex_Gaynor: ah, maybe it's even easier: we can pass width, index and offset to struct_getfield_int11:29
Alex_Gaynorantocuni: and then make sure someone constants folds the index=0 for the "really a struct" case?11:29
antocuniyes11:30
Alex_GaynorI think I just anthropomorphized the optimizer/backend.11:30
antocuniahah :-)11:30
arigatoGETINTERIORFIELD_GC has a different interface than GETARRAYITEM_GC, I think --- at least the kind of descr is different11:30
Alex_Gaynorarigato: yes, they are, but in theory they have teh same point, interiorfield is just a generalization of arrayitem11:31
arigatoyes11:31
arigatobut e.g. in the optimizer it's easier to handle getarrayitem_gc11:31
arigatoso I don't really mind if there are a bit more optimizations for it than for getinteriorfield_gc11:32
Alex_Gaynoryes, the heapcache doesn't know about interiorfield yet11:32
stakkarsarigato: ah! I see the biggest problem that causes lots of stuff:11:32
arigatoI guess it's a matter if you're ready to handle interiorfields everywhere11:32
Alex_Gaynorperhaps I'll just unify them in the backend11:32
stakkarsarigato: I set sys.maxint in test_all.py, but that is not used in the buildbot ;-)11:33
stakkarsso I just need to fix that somehow and get much less grief11:34
stakkarshat's also probably the infinite recursion thing ;-)11:34
arigatoAlex_Gaynor: yes, that would be fine, I think, if only the backend would handle them both as efficiently11:35
Alex_Gaynorarigato: yes, I'll teach teh backend that if WIDTH is certain values for itneriorfield then it's ok to use addressing11:35
arigatoAlex_Gaynor: for maximum efficiency it's even more involved11:36
Alex_Gaynorarigato: how so?11:36
arigatoyou can handle other WIDTH values without a MUL, but still with one extra instruction11:36
Alex_Gaynora hsift you mean?11:36
Alex_Gaynorshift*11:36
arigatono11:36
arigatomore efficient: use another LEA11:37
arigatoe.g. for WIDTH=24, you use LEA EAX, [EAX*2+EAX]; then you use [EAX*8]11:37
Alex_Gaynorjust the WIDTH thing fixes all the arrayitem cases though11:37
Alex_Gaynorbut yes, I suppose you can be cleverer11:37
arigatoyes, the arrayitem cases are all 1, 2, 4 or 8 bytse11:37
arigatobytes11:38
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arigatothe real point is that all arrayitem cases are 1,2,4,8 bytes, and most interiorfield are not (except on 32-bit where 8 fits two pointers)11:40
arigatoso in order to really get an improvement you need to add a bit of cleverness to handle more cases :-)11:40
Alex_Gaynorarigato: to improve the current situation for interiorfield, yes, but to improve it enough so that arrayitem doesn't need a special code path you just need 1,2,4,811:41
arigatoyes11:41
Action: Alex_Gaynor forgets what problem he was solving.11:42
arigato:-)11:42
timonatorAlex_Gaynor: at this point, maybe not sleep at all this "night"?11:42
timonatori've done it, it's already 130011:43
Action: arigato wonders which set of WIDTHs can be done using one extra LEA as above11:43
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Alex_GaynorI'm sure there's a paper on it.11:44
arigatothat's probably too easy11:44
Alex_Gaynorlots of papers form 30 years ago seem easy now :)11:44
arigato:-)11:44
Alex_GaynorI know one of my professors did his thesis on prooving several things are NP-complete, no wwe make undergrads do that :)11:44
arigatothe answer is [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 16, 18, 20, 24, 32, 36, 40, 64, 72]11:45
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arigato:-)11:46
Action: Alex_Gaynor wonders if arigato now feels compelled to implement this, or if proving it was enough11:46
Action: arigato vaguely feels compelled to implement this, yes11:47
arigatobut lunchtime now :-)11:48
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stakkarsantocuni_: BB runs much much better now!14:59
antocuni_:-)14:59
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stakkarsantocuni: there was some basic misconfiguration15:00
stakkarsthat broke too much. setting maxing in test_all was thoughtless, since the runner for BB uses pytest.py and doesn't see it.15:01
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stakkarsthe other problem was the just-in-time debugger of windows. I had to disable that through the registry.15:02
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stakkarsantocuni: can I run more than one process? I think I heard of some setting?15:02
antocunistakkars: I think that the testrunner should do it15:03
antocunihowever, I don't remember the details15:03
antocunilook at the source code15:03
stakkarsantocuni: ok, thank you!  This thing is much better than I thought. Puts more intelligence into the slave.15:04
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stakkarsantocuni: the "lost process" prob was a window popping up on a crash that broke the pipes & :-)15:25
CIA-6803justinpeel 07roundup * 10#927/Task takes more time on nightly than CPython 2.7: 15:33
CIA-68This looks like the same gc performance problem that we have with making large15:33
CIA-68dicts. Minimark uses card refs at the front of arrays to determin ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue92715:33
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kenaan12arigo extradoc 11bf988b21d001 15/talk/: First version of the FSCONS talk16:50
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nedbatanyone able to help with a compile error I'm getting using just regular 1.6 sources?20:58
ronnynedbat: more context + paste the error maybe?21:05
nedbatronny: I've got a new ubuntu installation (in a virtualbox), I installed the pypy prereqs, I unpacked the 1.6 sources,21:05
nedbatand in the translator/goal directory, I did:  python translate.py -O2 --sandbox21:06
nedbatI'm not sure how much of the error to show, there's a ton of red, near the end is, "undefined reference to `clock_gettime'"21:06
nedbatthere's a lot of lines like, "objspace_std_strutil.c:1075:52: warning: array subscript is above array bounds [-Warray-bounds]"21:07
nedbatronny: what should I show you?21:07
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nedbatcan no one help with a build problem?22:08
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bbot24Failure: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-64/builds/45 [12tismer, win64-stage1]22:36
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stakkarsweb.Server Traceback (most recent call last):22:40
stakkars<type 'exceptions.MemoryError'>:22:40
stakkarsI caused a memory error on the build master I think ;-)22:41
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bbot2Started: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/jit-benchmark-linux-x86-32/builds/93922:44
bbot2Started: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/jit-benchmark-linux-x86-64/builds/13622:44
bbot2Started: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-macosx-x86-32/builds/71022:44
bbot24Failure: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/jit-benchmark-linux-x86-32/builds/93922:46
bbot24Failure: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/jit-benchmark-linux-x86-64/builds/13622:47
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nedbatstakkars: any idea what's wrong if I try to build PyPy and end with "undefined reference to `clock_gettime'" ?22:52
stakkarsno22:54
pjenveynedbat - can you patebin the error?22:56
stakkarsbuildbot works again - it had too much tasks to do22:57
pjenveysounds fishy on an ubuntu box, the 1.6 should but just fine on it22:57
pjenveyif you want 1.6 though you can just use the binary download22:57
nedbatpjenvey: I'm not sure how much of it you want, should I pastebin the entire translate.py output?22:57
nedbatpjenvey: I'm trying to build with sandboxing.22:57
pjenveyjust the stacktrace part22:58
pjenveyah, maybe that's broken22:58
pjenveyAlex_Gaynor might know more, or fijal/arigo/antocuni/et al but the latter are likely all sleeping right now22:59
bbot2Started: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-64/builds/46 [12tismer, win64-stage1]23:00
nedbatpjenvey: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/14889/23:00
nedbatif anyone wants to help, i'd love an answer at ned@nedbatchelder.com  :)23:07
pjenveynedbat - this was after the entire translation right (with fractal rendering and everything)23:09
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bbot24Finished ??: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-64/builds/46 [12tismer, win64-stage1]23:19
bbot2Started: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-64/builds/47 [12tismer, win64-stage1]23:20
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rguillebertit's strange that it's not caught during translation23:25
pjenveyright, and evil23:34
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stakkarsnedbat_: hum, looks like a bug in genc or around there, missing def23:44
pjenveyit looks like we're missing -lrt for debug_print.c, but we aren't23:46
stakkarsyou can examine the c source23:47
bbot2Started: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-32/builds/1837 [12asdfdasf]23:51
stakkarsgah, who is too lazy to insert his name here?23:55
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