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| qbproger | Alex_Gaynor: ping | 01:50 |
| Alex_Gaynor | pong-ish, in the middle of a pycon-pc meeting | 01:50 |
| qbproger | ah ok | 01:51 |
| qbproger | i got a script that's about 2.5x slower on the last pypy release | 01:51 |
| Alex_Gaynor | :( can you try trunk? | 01:52 |
| Alex_Gaynor | 2.5x slower than CPython or a previous pypy? | 01:52 |
| qbproger | CPython 2.6 | 01:52 |
| Alex_Gaynor | That's no good. | 01:52 |
| qbproger | i was doing some project euler... | 01:53 |
| qbproger | Alex_Gaynor: https://gist.github.com/1381413 | 01:56 |
| Alex_Gaynor | qbproger: you said you tried with 1.6? | 01:56 |
| qbproger | yea | 01:57 |
| qbproger | on windows | 01:57 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | can you try trunk? | 01:57 |
| qbproger | is there an exe to download somewhere? | 01:57 |
| Alex_Gaynor | buildbot.pypy.org/nightly should | 01:58 |
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| qbproger | that page gives me: Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at localhost:8099. | 02:02 |
| Alex_Gaynor | http://buildbot.pypy.org/nightly/trunk/ | 02:02 |
| Alex_Gaynor | epic redirect fail | 02:02 |
| qbproger | Alex_Gaynor: pypy-c-jit-latest-win32.zip 16M 2011-11-14 <--- that one good? | 02:03 |
| Alex_Gaynor | qbproger: yeah, should be | 02:04 |
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| qbproger | Alex_Gaynor: it's actually slower on trunk | 02:49 |
| Alex_Gaynor | qbproger: epic fail. can you compare it with and without the caching? | 02:49 |
| qbproger | I can't do the recursion as deep without it | 02:50 |
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| qbproger | faster than cpython, but still slower on trunk | 02:52 |
| mattip | hi | 02:54 |
| mattip | Is there a "pypy way" to write a unittest-like timing test | 02:55 |
| mattip | in order to compare two changesets? | 02:55 |
| Alex_Gaynor | qbproger: ok, interested in trying to debug the issue yourself, or want to just file an issue on it? | 02:55 |
| qbproger | Alex_Gaynor: i'll file an issue | 02:56 |
| Alex_Gaynor | qbproger: k, if you feel like debuging it http://lostinjit.blogspot.com/2011/11/analysing-pythons-performance-under.html should be a good start | 02:57 |
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| qbproger | Alex_Gaynor: is there a link to the bug tracker on this page: http://pypy.org/ | 03:02 |
| Alex_Gaynor | qbproger: its linked on the contact one | 03:02 |
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| CIA-68 | 03qbproger 07roundup * 10#930/Recursion with cache slower on pypy than CPython 2.6: (log message trimmed) | 03:27 |
| CIA-68 | [new] This runs slower on Pypy 1.6 (and trunk) than CPython 2.6.5. CPython 2.7 runs | 03:27 |
| CIA-68 | this even faster | 03:27 |
| CIA-68 | OR_VAL = [0] * 10 | 03:27 |
| CIA-68 | FINAL_CHECK = 0 * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue930 | 03:27 |
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| kenaan | 12mattip numpy-monkeyaround 11425ecbd26101 15/: branch for experimental implementations | 04:00 |
| kenaan | 12mattip numpy-monkeyaround 111c02422a8f96 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/test/test_numarray.py: Add test for arange | 04:00 |
| kenaan | 12mattip numpy-monkeyaround 111ae3fd3bf105 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/: test, implement arange | 04:00 |
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| CIA-68 | 03fijal 07roundup * 10#930/Recursion with cache slower on pypy than CPython 2.6: | 06:07 |
| CIA-68 | [chatting] This program finishes in 0.05s for me. This is definitely not enough for the JIT | 06:07 |
| CIA-68 | to warm up. * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue930 | 06:07 |
| fijal | Alex_Gaynor: we should ask people not to submit stuff like that | 06:08 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: I didn't look at the total tim | 06:08 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: we should write a document on how to file performance bugs | 06:09 |
| fijal | to be honest, if you run it 100 times it's 2.6s vs 3s | 06:09 |
| fijal | where pypy loses | 06:09 |
| fijal | so "ok" | 06:09 |
| Alex_Gaynor | not good though | 06:09 |
| Alex_Gaynor | we should win :) | 06:09 |
| Alex_Gaynor | 1000 times? | 06:09 |
| Action: fijal does not have 40s | 06:11 | |
| fijal | but also - we should clear the caches each time | 06:11 |
| fijal | so I don't feel like doing something there | 06:11 |
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| fijal | back | 06:15 |
| fijal | Alex_Gaynor: http://arewefastyet.com/ | 06:16 |
| fijal | and JS vendors are reporting 0.68% speedup on something | 06:16 |
| fijal | how the fuck do they measure that? | 06:16 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: if you read the firefox dev tracker they count the number of ms improvements thing get | 06:16 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: holger's jenkins runs on their servers as well I see :D | 06:16 |
| Action: fijal fails to understand | 06:17 | |
| Alex_Gaynor | understand what? | 06:17 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: I fail to understand how anyone can write a JIT by hand, so maybe I'm not one to comment :) | 06:18 |
| qbproger | fijal: it was 0.5s for me, so I thought that was long enough cause I thought there were benchmarks on speed.pypy.org that run in that time | 06:18 |
| fijal | qbproger: are you sure not 0.05s? | 06:18 |
| fijal | Alex_Gaynor: JS is simpler | 06:18 |
| qbproger | my laptop is a bit weak :\ | 06:19 |
| qbproger | that might be it | 06:19 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: not that simple, every obj can have valueOf which is used on every operation, I think you can even monkey patch this onto integer | 06:19 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: plus you have to do crazy stuff like try to detect when a float is really an int to be fast | 06:19 |
| fijal | right sure | 06:20 |
| fijal | but it's smallert | 06:20 |
| fijal | you don't have to worry about generator expressions | 06:20 |
| fijal | longs | 06:20 |
| Alex_Gaynor | still though | 06:20 |
| fijal | tons and tons of other stuff | 06:20 |
| fijal | but you still can't measure ms improvements | 06:20 |
| Alex_Gaynor | every time standards comittee adds a new type you have to add new stuff to the JIT | 06:20 |
| Alex_Gaynor | when they add a language feature to chrome they have to update machine code stuff, that's crazy IMO | 06:21 |
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| qbproger | fijal: that was on windows too, not sure if that has anything to do with it | 06:22 |
| fijal | no no no | 06:22 |
| fijal | standards commitee works way slower than python-dev | 06:22 |
| fijal | there were no new JS features in years! | 06:22 |
| fijal | qbproger: windows is probably slightly slower | 06:22 |
| fijal | but not by much | 06:22 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: yes, but JIT keeps up nicely wiht python-dev | 06:22 |
| fijal | qbproger: anyway, can you provide a version that lets the JIT warm up | 06:23 |
| fijal | Alex_Gaynor: yes? we're years behind | 06:23 |
| qbproger | for me it was pypy 0.416 vs cpython (2.6) 0.189s | 06:23 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: too bad we didn't merge 2.7.2 for 1.7 release | 06:23 |
| fijal | qbproger: it's 0.3 vs 0.05 for me | 06:24 |
| fijal | but 0.07 with --jit off | 06:25 |
| fijal | so it's tracing | 06:25 |
| fijal | we kinda know tracing in recursion takes tons of time | 06:25 |
| qbproger | hmmm | 06:25 |
| qbproger | so just wrap 'main' in a for loop? | 06:25 |
| fijal | kinda | 06:25 |
| fijal | yeah | 06:25 |
| qbproger | alright, I can make a post with that modification | 06:26 |
| fijal | wait a sec :) | 06:26 |
| fijal | so for a 100, I get 3.0s pypy 2.6s cpython 2.6s pypy --jit threshold=-1 (only compiling functions) | 06:27 |
| fijal | that's bad but not *too* bad | 06:27 |
| fijal | Alex_Gaynor: feel like helping me with the release? | 06:27 |
| qbproger | if you take out the cache pypy wins | 06:27 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: what would I need to do? I'm rwiting papers ATM and tomorrow I'm travelling | 06:28 |
| fijal | someone has to download nightly builds, rename directories and put them on bitbucket | 06:28 |
| Alex_Gaynor | probably no time for that, sorry | 06:28 |
| fijal | I have internet limit/month so would be cool if someone else does this :) | 06:28 |
| Alex_Gaynor | can't you do it form tannit? | 06:28 |
| fijal | I'll get someone else to do it then | 06:28 |
| fijal | annoying | 06:28 |
| fijal | but I guess I can | 06:28 |
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| mattip | fijal: hi | 06:30 |
| qbproger | fijal: anything you want me to do with my bug report? (btw, perf bug guidelines are a good idea) | 06:31 |
| mattip | FWIW, commit 1109220a3f29a0 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/interp_numarray.py: fix signatures should not have been necessary, | 06:32 |
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| mattip | but it's hard for me to beleive hg is misbehaving. | 06:32 |
| mattip | I don't understand. | 06:33 |
| mattip | So I have created a branch and you are welcome to merge from/to it. | 06:33 |
| mattip | Or to ignore it. | 06:33 |
| fijal | mattip: hi | 06:34 |
| fijal | qbproger: paste your sessions maybe? | 06:34 |
| fijal | mattip: cool, thanks! | 06:34 |
| qbproger | my runtimes? | 06:34 |
| fijal | qbproger: yeah, when you run it 100 times? | 06:34 |
| qbproger | ok | 06:34 |
| fijal | there is a blog post feel free to look into that | 06:35 |
| fijal | qbproger: btw, a 4-character indent would be cool :) | 06:35 |
| fijal | mattip: I'll look at it just now | 06:35 |
| qbproger | fijal: it is 4 character, isn't it? | 06:36 |
| fijal | I count 3 | 06:36 |
| qbproger | where? | 06:37 |
| fijal | in place_numbers | 06:37 |
| qbproger | hmmm, I count 4 | 06:38 |
| fijal | whatever | 06:39 |
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| CIA-68 | 03qbproger 07roundup * 10#930/Recursion with cache slower on pypy than CPython 2.6: (log message trimmed) | 06:42 |
| CIA-68 | This was on windows 7 64 | 06:42 |
| CIA-68 | I put a for loop around main to run it 100 times | 06:42 |
| CIA-68 | python 2.6: | 06:42 |
| CIA-68 | $ time python 178.py * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue930 | 06:42 |
| qbproger | i found a change that makes it a bit worse for pypy, made the cache into a function decorator | 06:44 |
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| kenaan | 12fijal default 11f0938cd9a6f1 15/pypy/doc/release-1.7.0.rst: work out the release announcement | 07:34 |
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| stakkars | fijal: what about the release: | 08:21 |
| stakkars | fijal: can I get my change for continue let/asm support on windows in? | 08:22 |
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| fijal | stakkars: how about we do 1.7.1 next week? | 08:23 |
| fijal | instead? | 08:23 |
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| stakkars | ok. Armin asked me to do it, but probably assumed it would be ready on Friday. | 08:25 |
| stakkars | but took me the Saturday, too | 08:25 |
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| stakkars | and actually I don't trust my skills enough to modify a tested release... | 08:26 |
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| fijal | I'm not a huge fan of doing last-minute changes | 08:29 |
| fijal | given that we release at worst every 3 months | 08:29 |
| fijal | it's not like you have to wait 2 years for your changes to get in :) | 08:29 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: we really should merge 2.7.2 in for next release | 08:31 |
| fijal | es | 08:31 |
| fijal | yes | 08:31 |
| fijal | it's a mess usually though | 08:31 |
| Alex_Gaynor | right | 08:31 |
| fijal | stakkars: note that until someone fixes it, stackless is still borderline usable | 08:31 |
| fijal | because it disables the jit | 08:31 |
| Alex_Gaynor | it only disables the JIT in the function which calls switch | 08:32 |
| fijal | well | 08:32 |
| fijal | yes, bad enough | 08:32 |
| fijal | how can you use stackless without switching? | 08:32 |
| Alex_Gaynor | you can't :) | 08:36 |
| Alex_Gaynor | but if your CPU time is in a loo pwithout switch, it's maybe ok | 08:36 |
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| CIA-68 | 03arigo 07roundup * 10#292/try using const keyword for rpython strings with C backend: | 08:46 |
| CIA-68 | [wontfix] No, that doesn't work. No preallocated structure is really constant, because | 08:46 |
| CIA-68 | some GC flags may be set and cleared in the header. Closing. * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue292 | 08:46 |
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| fijal | arigato: hi armin | 08:47 |
| arigato | hi | 08:47 |
| fijal | arigato: can you repackage files and upload them to bitbucet? | 08:47 |
| fijal | bitbucket | 08:47 |
| fijal | I don't want to waste 100M of my bandwidth :/ | 08:47 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: what about const on the individual fields, or is that a C++ thing? | 08:47 |
| arigato | er, yes, but I don't have good bandwidth here either | 08:48 |
| arigato | I'm fine with doing it on tannit | 08:48 |
| fijal | can you upload files to bitbucket on tannit? | 08:48 |
| fijal | anyway, please do | 08:48 |
| arigato | fijal: the answer is "yes", even though it might be a bit convoluted | 08:48 |
| fijal | it's the matter of changing directories and renaming it I presume | 08:49 |
| fijal | someone can also read/fix the release announcement | 08:49 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: I think that's a C++ thing, because in C I don't see how you would set exceptions to the rule of const-ness for when you really need to initialize the fields | 08:50 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: indeed | 08:50 |
| fijal | arigato, Alex_Gaynor: I wrote the release announcement | 08:51 |
| fijal | codename is silly, maybe we can have something better? | 08:51 |
| arigato | :-) | 08:52 |
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| arigato | pypy/tool/release/make_release.py is either completely outdated or needs more trickery | 08:56 |
| fijal | I think both | 08:57 |
| arigato | :-) | 08:57 |
| Alex_Gaynor | both is a very pypy way | 08:57 |
| arigato | nowadays, the releases are just what is in nightly/release-1.7.x/, right? | 08:57 |
| fijal | yes | 08:58 |
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| fijal | but you need to change directory name and the archive name | 08:58 |
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| arigato | ok, if that's all, I can do it manually | 08:58 |
| fijal | that's precisely why I never bothered... | 08:59 |
| fijal | because it's always manual | 08:59 |
| fijal | er | 08:59 |
| arigato | except that there isn't a win32 | 08:59 |
| fijal | because it's always simple :) | 08:59 |
| arigato | ok | 08:59 |
| fijal | uh? | 08:59 |
| fijal | there is? | 08:59 |
| fijal | http://buildbot.pypy.org/nightly/release-1.7.x/pypy-c-jit-48924-a01f9701efa7-win32.zip | 08:59 |
| arigato | win32 is anyway waiting | 08:59 |
| arigato | that's from the 14th of november | 08:59 |
| arigato | I assume it's too old | 08:59 |
| fijal | ah | 08:59 |
| fijal | ok | 08:59 |
| fijal | so no | 08:59 |
| fijal | as usual | 08:59 |
| fijal | yes, way too old | 09:00 |
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| fijal | it's waiting for a button press or so | 09:00 |
| arigato | and we don't care that these archives contain two failing tests? | 09:00 |
| arigato | only the "own" tests that hadn't been fixed so far | 09:01 |
| arigato | ...ah, they don't contain the "own" tests anyway | 09:01 |
| fijal | uh | 09:01 |
| fijal | they have been fixed | 09:01 |
| fijal | you mean the ztranslation ones on x86 backend? | 09:01 |
| arigato | yes, but I forgot that the tests are not in the archive themselves | 09:02 |
| fijal | yes | 09:02 |
| fijal | the builds don't contain fixes | 09:02 |
| fijal | but it does not matter | 09:02 |
| arigato | so I rename the dirs to "pypy-1.7"... | 09:03 |
| arigato | (pff, bad connectivity) | 09:03 |
| Action: fijal glosses through how-to-release | 09:06 | |
| fijal | I wonder if I can kill "a meeting or meetings should be organized" | 09:06 |
| fijal | from how-to-release | 09:06 |
| kenaan | 12fijal default 113cde514a9a92 15/pypy/doc/how-to-release.rst: kill the meeting talk | 09:08 |
| arigato | hum | 09:10 |
| fijal | yes? | 09:10 |
| arigato | going to be a real mess for me to upload without using my connection | 09:11 |
| fijal | yes :/ | 09:11 |
| fijal | precisely why I wanted someone with a better connection | 09:11 |
| arigato | lynx or links both fail to work | 09:11 |
| arigato | in the worst case I'll be at the university in 3 hours, but it's still an interesting challenge :-) | 09:13 |
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| fijal | stakkars: for what is worth, the windows won't be ready today | 09:18 |
| fijal | so I suppose it's probably fine to merge your changes | 09:18 |
| stakkars | fijal: if Armin is ok with that, fine. I was just trying to get it in time because he asked for it. | 09:19 |
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| stakkars | but that's good, I will probably merge win664-stage1 before 1.7.1 | 09:20 |
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| arigato | ah | 09:48 |
| arigato | getting somewhere | 09:48 |
| arigato | fijal: upload done | 09:51 |
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| arigato | for reference: "links" works fine after (1) we change some slightly-crazy options, most importantly "No referer" -> "Send real referer only to the same server" | 09:52 |
| arigato | and (2) after I figured out that we have to type the file name twice in html | 09:52 |
| arigato | (I guess in firefox there is special javascript that copies the file name automatically) | 09:52 |
| fijal | pfff | 09:53 |
| Last message repeated 2 time(s). | 09:53 | |
| fijal | ok cool; | 09:53 |
| fijal | I'll update the pypy.org website | 09:53 |
| fijal | arigato: feel like skimming the release announcement once more? | 09:53 |
| arigato | yes | 09:53 |
| fijal | would be cool if someone downloads the binaries and checks if they run | 09:54 |
| fijal | any volunteers? | 09:54 |
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| fijal | should I (as usual) update download.html to say "windows not ready yet"? | 09:55 |
| fijal | ah | 09:56 |
| fijal | checksums and source exports | 09:56 |
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| arigato | windows not ready yet: yes | 09:57 |
| fijal | checksums? | 09:58 |
| arigato | md5 + sha? | 09:58 |
| fijal | yes | 09:58 |
| fijal | for 32/64/osx | 09:58 |
| kenaan | 12fijal release-1.7.x 117a1d5bd05243 15/.hgtags: Added tag release-1.7 for changeset ff4af8f31882 | 09:59 |
| kenaan | 12arigo default 113c59b9c3ba47 15/pypy/doc/release-1.7.0.rst: Fix. | 10:01 |
| kenaan | 12arigo default 11aed533007ccf 15/pypy/doc/how-to-release.rst: merge heads | 10:01 |
| arigato | source export... | 10:01 |
| fijal | no, we don't need source export | 10:01 |
| fijal | bitbucket does that automatically | 10:01 |
| arigato | ah, from the .hgtag | 10:02 |
| arigato | good | 10:02 |
| arigato | shouldn't the .hgtags addition be done on trunk? | 10:04 |
| fijal | no? | 10:04 |
| fijal | I don't think so | 10:05 |
| fijal | because you tag the state of the branch no? | 10:05 |
| fijal | if I'm wrong then maybe merge this changeset? | 10:05 |
| arigato | but .hgtags on trunk lists release-1.X | 10:05 |
| fijal | ok | 10:05 |
| kenaan | 12fijal pypy.org[extradoc] 110a1d901e60ef 15/: bump the release number | 10:06 |
| kenaan | 12fijal pypy.org[extradoc] 11e2d26191fd54 15/source/download.txt: checksums | 10:06 |
| kenaan | 12fijal pypy.org[extradoc] 11a92d5719d9dc 15/source/download.txt: merge | 10:06 |
| kenaan | 12fijal pypy.org[extradoc] 113b0fd88061dc 15/: regen html | 10:06 |
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| fijal | ok | 10:06 |
| fijal | we seem to be good to go | 10:06 |
| arigato | good | 10:06 |
| fijal | anything that can stop us? | 10:06 |
| fijal | buhahahaha | 10:06 |
| arigato | :-) | 10:07 |
| fijal | voidspace: hey | 10:07 |
| arigato | world domination is there, or something | 10:07 |
| fijal | my internet is super slow | 10:07 |
| kenaan | 12fijal default 115c2c8665692c 15/.hgtags: Added tag release-1.7 for changeset ff4af8f31882 | 10:08 |
| arigato | "hg transplant" has the strange result of me pushing a single commit with "fijal" as the author | 10:08 |
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| arigato | I wonder: if two people transplant the same checkin to the same new branch | 10:10 |
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| arigato | do they end up with an identical checkin? | 10:10 |
| fijal | yes | 10:10 |
| fijal | if you use transplant | 10:10 |
| arigato | ok, good | 10:10 |
| fijal | anything else? | 10:11 |
| fijal | or do I just push it to the blog and send mails? | 10:11 |
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| arigato | good to go, I suppose | 10:13 |
| kenaan | 12fijal default 114330437caa7d 15/.hgtags: Added tag release-1.7 for changeset ff4af8f31882 | 10:15 |
| kenaan | 12fijal default 1110cb0adcfdd9 15/pypy/doc/release-1.7.0.rst: merge | 10:15 |
| arigato | ...no | 10:17 |
| kenaan | 12fijal default 11a8545592fa3e 15/pypy/doc/release-1.7.0.rst: minor fixes | 10:18 |
| arigato | we both hg-transplant-ed the same revision to "default", and it ends up as two different changesetes | 10:18 |
| fijal | pfff | 10:18 |
| fijal | nice | 10:18 |
| xorAxAx | well, of course, because every transplanted changeset has a different head | 10:18 |
| arigato | ah, it's because the ancestor is different | 10:18 |
| xorAxAx | ancestor i mean :) | 10:18 |
| arigato | yes | 10:19 |
| fijal | eh | 10:19 |
| fijal | I forgot to add signature I suppose | 10:19 |
| fijal | but well, whatever | 10:19 |
| arigato | signature? | 10:19 |
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| cfbolz | hello | 10:20 |
| fijal | hi carl | 10:20 |
| cfbolz | fijal: I can read the release announcement | 10:20 |
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| fijal | cfbolz: it's gone | 10:20 |
| cfbolz | ah, damn | 10:20 |
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| fijal | sorry | 10:21 |
| cfbolz | np | 10:21 |
| fijal | can we merge list-strategies/specialized-tuples etc now? | 10:21 |
| Alex_Gaynor | specialized tuple isn't really AFAIK | 10:21 |
| Alex_Gaynor | list-strategies was, I think | 10:21 |
| fijal | ready? | 10:21 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | yes | 10:21 |
| cfbolz | please go ahead with list-strategies | 10:22 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: feel like giving it a final review and merging? | 10:23 |
| fijal | I can | 10:23 |
| fijal | I'm a bit busy with other stuff though | 10:23 |
| Alex_Gaynor | cool, I reviewed a few weeks ago, but another person wouldn't hurt | 10:23 |
| kenaan | 12l.diekmann type-specialized-instances 11118048845a8d 15/pypy/objspace/std/: reverted last fix, found a new (and better) one | 10:24 |
| cfbolz | Alex_Gaynor: if you are in a reviewing mood, set-strategies can be reviewed too | 10:26 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | cfbolz: remind me in 12-24 hours. I've got a paper to finish, and a flight home. Then I have a week of relaxing, branch reviewing, and anything else I feel like | 10:26 |
| cfbolz | cool | 10:26 |
| arigato | :-) | 10:26 |
| cfbolz | Alex_Gaynor: it's very similar to list-strategies | 10:27 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I assume so | 10:27 |
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| stakkars | well, _merging_ sometimes has strange effects. | 10:29 |
| cfbolz | arigato: the guy who started sets during the sprint, will he continue? | 10:29 |
| stakkars | I lost something of win64 support. | 10:29 |
| cfbolz | s/sets/tuples | 10:29 |
| stakkars | will check a few things into default which are just compiler-specific. | 10:30 |
| arigato | cfbolz: I can't tell | 10:31 |
| cfbolz | arigato: ok | 10:31 |
| cfbolz | arigato: very cool that you started generators in rpython :-) | 10:32 |
| fijal | I can pick up specialized tuples probably | 10:32 |
| cfbolz | fijal: otherwise lukas probably won't mind | 10:32 |
| fijal | ok | 10:32 |
| fijal | I definitely wouldn't mind lukas doing that :) | 10:32 |
| fijal | he seems to be an expert in specializing stuff | 10:32 |
| arigato | I'm also ready to hand out generators in rpython to anyone who minds | 10:32 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal, cfbolz: I'm not super pleased with the approach in that branch, the tuple shapes should be dynamic IMO | 10:32 |
| cfbolz | Alex_Gaynor: why? | 10:32 |
| fijal | Alex_Gaynor: write your paper | 10:33 |
| cfbolz | fijal: he's struggling quite a bit with mapdicts, atm | 10:33 |
| fijal | ok | 10:33 |
| Alex_Gaynor | cfbolz: because there's no reason a 3 item tuple of (bool, str, int) should randomly be slow because we didn't think of it | 10:33 |
| stakkars | arigato: generators? | 10:33 |
| Alex_Gaynor | we don't think of most things, let's be fast even then | 10:33 |
| arigato | Alex_Gaynor: well the question is: do we want an unlimited number of specializations, or just a few | 10:33 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: I hink unlimited, just like mapdicts | 10:34 |
| arigato | during the sprint I tried hard to convince him to go for very limited instead | 10:34 |
| cfbolz | the tradeoff isn't that clear | 10:34 |
| fijal | arigato: now you have a chance to convince alex as well ;-) | 10:34 |
| arigato | I wanted him to avoid supporting anything but 2-tuples, but he insisted on keeping the unroll_iterable stuff | 10:34 |
| lucian | it seems to be that (bool, str, int) is odd enough to not bother specialising for | 10:36 |
| lucian | s/to be/to me/ | 10:36 |
| Alex_Gaynor | it's odd to you, the guy who uses it in his code wants to know why you're telling him "don't do that" | 10:36 |
| lucian | people would notice having their int lists or coordinate tuples faster, though | 10:36 |
| lucian | Alex_Gaynor: do that, but don't expect magic, i guess | 10:36 |
| stakkars | what is the risk when supporting too much? | 10:36 |
| stakkars | too many specialisations/code bloat? | 10:37 |
| arigato | stakkars: yes | 10:37 |
| lucian | of course, i'm the one not writing PyPy code, so who am I to speak | 10:37 |
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| Mepho | hi, dous anyone know whether it's possible to compile 64bit pypy on linux (gentoo) using icc compiler with agressive flags? or does pypy makefile forces gcc? | 10:40 |
| arigato | lucian: please do speak :-) | 10:40 |
| arigato | Mepho: it should work, yes | 10:41 |
| Alex_Gaynor | arigato: probably requires --gcrootfinder=shadowstack though right? | 10:41 |
| arigato | true | 10:41 |
| fijal | Mepho: also, it's very unlikely to give you significant speedups | 10:42 |
| fijal | because we compile a lot of assembler ourselves | 10:42 |
| fijal | but there are cases where it might help | 10:42 |
| fijal | like longs | 10:42 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: unless your code is bottlenecked by our gcc bug :) | 10:42 |
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| fijal | yes | 10:43 |
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| Mepho | ill do some timings with some of my scripts and if i'll do some blogpost in future if my procrastination will get any worse | 10:44 |
| arigato | pff | 10:46 |
| fijal | arigato: ??? | 10:47 |
| arigato | I've spent the morning at my house instead of going to uni to wait for a fedex package I don't even know where from, and result: fedex didn't show up | 10:47 |
| fijal | arigato: yes, expected | 10:47 |
| arigato | heh | 10:48 |
| lucian | arigato: they all suck. what I don't get is why they don't just send you an email/sms when the van leaves for town | 10:48 |
| arigato | they showed up the minute I complained about them :-) | 10:49 |
| fijal | arigato: you know it works that way at least on twitter? | 10:49 |
| arigato | lucian: well, the whole model is still archaic I suppose --- e.g. I had to really phone them, no email contact | 10:50 |
| arigato | fijal: how so? :-) | 10:50 |
| fijal | arigato: I still want to break in their servers and send all trucks to one spot | 10:50 |
| lucian | arigato: sure, but SMS is pretty archaic :) | 10:50 |
| fijal | if you complain loudly on twitter, customer service usually gets back to you | 10:50 |
| arigato | ah :-) | 10:51 |
| fijal | (happened to me) | 10:52 |
| arigato | lucian: I know it costs more per letter to send an SMS than any other communication method, including sending a Mars probe and listening to it | 10:52 |
| arigato | so yes, I have actually never written a SMS | 10:53 |
| Action: cfbolz , as usual, is deeply confused by some code in optimizeopt | 10:54 | |
| arigato | :-/ | 10:54 |
| Action: arigato -> uni | 10:55 | |
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| lucian | arigato: heh. i wrote a few, if only because they're free on my plan | 10:58 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 1166bdc5c4e59c 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/test/test_optimizeopt.py: there was really no optimizeopt test for circular virtuals??! | 11:11 |
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| arigato | uh | 11:28 |
| arigato | fijal: you sent out the announcements before updating the web site | 11:28 |
| arigato | that's kind of bad | 11:28 |
| Topic changed on #pypy by arigato!arigo@fwstups.cs.uni-duesseldorf.de: PyPy, a fast and compliant python interpreter | IRC logs: http://www.tismer.com/pypy/irc-logs/pypy/latest.log.html | PyPy 1.7 released --- wait a sec | 11:29 | |
| fijal | uh what? | 11:30 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64_gborg 114a3f7bf69952 15/: Merge with default | 11:30 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer default 114dcb9ca387a6 15/pypy/: 'merge' | 11:30 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer default 11015d05dac523 15/: merge | 11:30 |
| fijal | I did update the website no? | 11:30 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64-stage1 11ab9d4a11c14d 15/: merge | 11:30 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64-stage1 110e90cd957a7d 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/test/test_optimizeopt.py: merge | 11:30 |
| arigato | http://pypy.org is not updated | 11:30 |
| arigato | uh? | 11:30 |
| arigato | sorry | 11:30 |
| arigato | yes it is | 11:30 |
| arigato | obscure caching issue in my browser? | 11:30 |
| Topic changed on #pypy by arigato!arigo@fwstups.cs.uni-duesseldorf.de: PyPy, a fast and compliant python interpreter | IRC logs: http://www.tismer.com/pypy/irc-logs/pypy/latest.log.html | PyPy 1.7 released | 11:30 | |
| fijal | iyes | 11:30 |
| fijal | just normal caching I fear | 11:31 |
| arigato | right | 11:32 |
| arigato | somehow I don't know how web caching works, and I assumed it would be based on a checksum of the page, but it's not I guess | 11:32 |
| fijal | no | 11:34 |
| fijal | I think it just caches for the period that server gives you | 11:34 |
| fijal | no questions asked | 11:34 |
| fijal | checksums... | 11:34 |
| arigato | ok :-) | 11:35 |
| ronny | instead of sending expires, it might make sense to use etag/If-Modified | 11:35 |
| fijal | ronny: feel free to set it up somehow | 11:35 |
| arigato | may I complain again about the fact that the website's "py3k/numpy donation" pages and the "Donate towards..." link are not related? | 11:35 |
| fijal | but I suppose we don't change it often enough for it to matter | 11:35 |
| fijal | arigato: how they're not related? | 11:35 |
| fijal | they're related as in "read proposal" | 11:36 |
| arigato | e.g. if I go: | 11:36 |
| arigato | home page -> click "donate to py3k" -> click "read proposal" | 11:36 |
| fijal | it says "donate to numpy" | 11:36 |
| fijal | no, that's a bug | 11:36 |
| arigato | yes | 11:37 |
| fijal | I thought I fixed it | 11:37 |
| fijal | if you don't mind, I won't look there now, my internet sucks a lot | 11:37 |
| arigato | just reporting it as a bug --- makes sense for me to add it to the bug tracker, maybe? | 11:38 |
| fijal | ok | 11:38 |
| lucian | arigato: web caching is fun fun FUN! especially when you mix in cache.manifest ... | 11:39 |
| CIA-68 | 03arigo 07roundup * 10#931/web site bugs: | 11:40 |
| CIA-68 | [new] On the web site http://pypy.org: | 11:40 |
| CIA-68 | home page -> click "donate to py3k" -> click "read proposal" | 11:40 |
| CIA-68 | it ends up selecting "donate to numpy" a ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue931 | 11:40 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64_gborg 119d59a8501c00 15/: close old branch | 11:42 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64 test 1103816b1a901c 15/: close old branch | 11:42 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 112bddb9109f82 15/pypy/jit/backend/arm/opassembler.py: typo | 11:42 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 111ff3890a1ce8 15/pypy/jit/backend/: add ARM to conftest and test_random | 11:42 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 112771f3c2a471 15/pypy/jit/backend/arm/: Updating the position of the regalloc to soon when merging operations with the following guard leads to some ... | 11:42 |
| CIA-68 | 03arigo 07roundup * 10#930/Recursion with cache slower on pypy than CPython 2.6: | 11:45 |
| CIA-68 | I agree that we have to look at it, but I just want to note that (for me) | 11:45 |
| CIA-68 | running 500 iterations ends up being faster with pypy, while 100 iterat ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue930 | 11:45 |
| fijal | arigato: #930 is a bit obscure | 11:45 |
| fijal | why-we-are-so-slow | 11:46 |
| fijal | kinda issue | 11:46 |
| fijal | with --jit threshold=-1 we're the same speed as cpython | 11:46 |
| fijal | except we do a lot more optimizations | 11:46 |
| fijal | it seems that packing/unpacking tuple/objects might be an issue | 11:46 |
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| Action: fijal off | 11:47 | |
| arigato | do you mean "--jit off"? | 11:47 |
| fijal | no | 11:47 |
| fijal | I specifically mean leave only the function jit | 11:47 |
| fijal | so we don't end up tracing a lot | 11:48 |
| arigato | I'm unsure what you're comparing against, given that with 100 iterations it's a bit slower than cpython, and with 500 iterations it's a bit faster | 11:48 |
| cfbolz | clearly we need specialized tuples :-) | 11:48 |
| fijal | arigato: with --jit threshold=-1 and normal pypy-c we're 2.6 vs 3.0s | 11:49 |
| fijal | so 0.4s is probably spent tracing and doing other stuff | 11:50 |
| fijal | that's a bit too much IMO | 11:50 |
| arigato | fijal: doing 100 iterations or 500? | 11:50 |
| fijal | 100 | 11:50 |
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| antocuni | hi | 12:20 |
| antocuni | congrats for the release :-) | 12:20 |
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| senyai | Hi. When will windows version be ready? | 12:27 |
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| cfbolz | gaaaargh | 12:31 |
| Action: cfbolz hates subtle annoying bugs | 12:31 | |
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| cfbolz | Alex_Gaynor: your optimization in the JIT that makes Consts when you force a virtual filled with Consts is nonsense | 12:37 |
| cfbolz | Alex_Gaynor: again, it does not deal with recursive virtuals at all | 12:38 |
| cfbolz | it took me a week to hunt down this | 12:38 |
| arigato | uh? | 12:39 |
| arigato | I thought I already did that long ago | 12:39 |
| arigato | 0db17e3bbb64 | 12:41 |
| cfbolz | arigato: still in the process of writing a test | 12:44 |
| cfbolz | but this code is definitely not dealing with recursive immutable virtuals | 12:44 |
| cfbolz | Alex_Gaynor: sorry, for some reason I thought it was you who wrote that code | 12:45 |
| cfbolz | arigato: AbstractVirtualStructValue._really_force can call itself via the force_box in _is_immutable_and_filled_with_constants | 12:46 |
| cfbolz | which means you emit the same new_with_vtable twice | 12:47 |
| cfbolz | arigato: I guess this cannot happen in the Python interpreter, but it can in Prolog | 12:48 |
| tos9 | 32bit binaries haven | 12:49 |
| tos9 | 't been built for OSX since 1.4.1 correct? | 12:49 |
| cfbolz | arigato: see what I mean? | 12:49 |
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| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 1124e8fd936c50 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/test/test_optimizeopt.py: also a test where the circular virtual is forced | 12:59 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 11f6d1a45766ce 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/test/: a failing test that shows a problem around forcing of virtual immutable recursive structs | 12:59 |
| kenaan | 12cfbolz default 115225def4e322 15/: merge | 12:59 |
| cfbolz | arigato: ok, there is a failing test now | 13:00 |
| cfbolz | arigato: this is not the only problem, as pyrolog crashes yet differently | 13:00 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64-stage1 11fbf211aee071 15/pypy/: _continuelet on win64 _works_ ! There was an old direct reference to windows in rwin32.py, changed it to hos... | 13:02 |
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| merwok | Congrats on the release! | 13:13 |
| arigato | cfbolz: sorry, back | 13:16 |
| cfbolz | arigato: np | 13:17 |
| arigato | baaah, ok | 13:17 |
| cfbolz | :-( | 13:17 |
| cfbolz | arigato: what do you think of this simple fix: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/510904/ | 13:18 |
| cfbolz | that means the whole thing works only for immutables of primitive values | 13:18 |
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| cfbolz | merwok_: thanks! | 13:19 |
| arigato | tos9: yes, that's correct | 13:20 |
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| tos9 | arigato: Thanks. | 13:20 |
| Nick change: merwok_ -> merwij | 13:21 | |
| Nick change: merwij -> merwok | 13:21 | |
| arigato | do you have an idea for how to do better? | 13:23 |
| arigato | cfbolz: ? | 13:23 |
| cfbolz | arigato: better than the patch I posted? | 13:24 |
| arigato | yes | 13:25 |
| arigato | in theory we want to check if the graph of all the optvalues reachable from the current one contains only primitive consts and further immutable ones | 13:25 |
| cfbolz | arigato: yes, well | 13:25 |
| cfbolz | arigato: you would have to keep a dict of things you already checked | 13:25 |
| arigato | yes | 13:25 |
| cfbolz | arigato: I still think you should never call force_box | 13:25 |
| cfbolz | to not mix up these two concerns | 13:26 |
| arigato | I agree | 13:26 |
| cfbolz | arigato: feel like implementing it? | 13:26 |
| arigato | I can try | 13:26 |
| cfbolz | I can review | 13:26 |
| arigato | ok :-) | 13:26 |
| arigato | but first, "rpython/test/test_rclass -k test_hash_preservation", which works on Python 2.6 but fails on 2.7 | 13:27 |
| cfbolz | pfff | 13:27 |
| cfbolz | arigato: I find it funny that the bug is in a part of virtuals that we didn't formalize in the paper :-) | 13:27 |
| arigato | "everything is either formalized or buggy", some would say | 13:28 |
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| cfbolz | yes | 13:28 |
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| merwok | :°) | 13:30 |
| guibou | Does a "pypy1.7" is 3 times slower than 1.6 is considered as a major regression and should I open a bug repport ? | 13:34 |
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| lucian | wow, json is blazing fast. thanks fijal | 13:36 |
| lucian | oh, no there | 13:37 |
| arigato | guibou: yes | 13:39 |
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| arigato | stakkars_: you merged win64 to default? it crashes now | 13:41 |
| arigato | I'm not sure you meant to merge that much | 13:43 |
| arigato | also, your merge checkins are not reported as merge checkins at all, | 13:44 |
| arigato | which means (1) I don't know how you did it, and (2) it's impossible to track | 13:44 |
| antocuni | arigato: in case we need to revert stakkars's change, we might prefer to create a new head which starts before the merge instead of using hg backout | 13:44 |
| antocuni | it will preserve more history | 13:44 |
| arigato | antocuni: or just cancel cfbolz's latest checkin, which is a default "merge heads" | 13:45 |
| antocuni | right | 13:45 |
| antocuni | well, everything but hg backout is fine :-) | 13:46 |
| stakkars | arigato: oups? not that I'm aware of it! | 13:46 |
| CIA-68 | 03peterjc 07roundup * 10#919/implement multi-dimension arrays in micronumpy: | 13:46 |
| CIA-68 | [chatting] Fixed typo in title. | 13:46 |
| CIA-68 | Note PyPy 1.7 release notes suggest this is being worked on, | 13:46 |
| CIA-68 | http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2011/11/pypy-17-wide ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue919 | 13:46 |
| arigato | ok, so let's revert cleanly | 13:46 |
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| stakkars | I was merging default into my branch, I thought | 13:46 |
| Nick change: Gulopine -> Gulaway | 13:46 | |
| arigato | antocuni: how do you plan to do it? | 13:46 |
| arigato | we'd like basically f6d1a45766ce to become the "default" head | 13:47 |
| merwok | The blog link above is not working | 13:47 |
| antocuni | arigato: I didn't look at the history, but if there are not many changes, we could transplant all children of the "wrong" head to the "good" one | 13:47 |
| antocuni | and the merge the wrong head to dead-branches | 13:47 |
| antocuni | s/the/then | 13:47 |
| antocuni | (sorry, I'm at a customer's place and cannot do it by myself right now) | 13:48 |
| arigato | fine :-) | 13:48 |
| arigato | the history looks like this: | 13:48 |
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| stakkars | arch, maybe I messed things up at 11:47 after a wrong update :-( | 13:49 |
| arigato | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/510913/ | 13:49 |
| antocuni | then we can probably just merge 5225def4e322 to dead-branches | 13:49 |
| arigato | and make a dummy checkin from f6d1a45766ce | 13:50 |
| antocuni | and do a dummy cheking as a child of f6d1a45766ce | 13:50 |
| arigato | ok | 13:50 |
| antocuni | yes :-) | 13:50 |
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| stakkars | oh, very sorry about that, absolutely not my intent. | 13:52 |
| stakkars | arigato: what should I do? | 13:53 |
| Action: arigato fixes | 13:54 | |
| stakkars | I forgot that I switched computers and did not update correctly :-( | 13:55 |
| arigato | antocuni: hum | 13:55 |
| arigato | antocuni: do I need to "hg ci --close-branch" the wrong head on default? | 13:55 |
| arigato | I guess so | 13:55 |
| lucian | arigato: yeah, --close-branch is "the right thing" | 13:56 |
| antocuni | uhm, I don't think it's the "right thing" | 13:56 |
| lucian | antocuni: how so? | 13:56 |
| antocuni | I think that close-branch just label the branch "default" as closed | 13:56 |
| lucian | well, if it's a dummy you can strip | 13:56 |
| lucian | antocuni: ah, default. stupid me | 13:57 |
| antocuni | s/label/labels | 13:57 |
| lucian | but you can close default too, in fact i did it a few times | 13:57 |
| arigato | basically even after merging the wrong branch to "closed-branches", I still have it in "hg heads" | 13:57 |
| lucian | and you can fork from a parent and keep going with default | 13:57 |
| arigato | so that's not right either | 13:57 |
| lucian | that's odd. try strip | 13:57 |
| antocuni | lucian: we cannot strip, it's already on bitbucket | 13:58 |
| lucian | if it's still local, that is | 13:58 |
| lucian | if no one's pulled yet, you can still strip :) | 13:58 |
| antocuni | arigato: that's weird | 13:58 |
| arigato | and "hg up" still complains that there are two heads | 13:58 |
| antocuni | arigato: do you still see it as a head if you do hg heads --topo? | 13:58 |
| cfbolz_ | lucian: it was pushed | 13:58 |
| arigato | no | 13:59 |
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| arigato | but it doesn't help "hg up" | 13:59 |
| antocuni | arigato: ah, maybe you can also try to do a "dummy merge" of the wrong head into the good one | 13:59 |
| cfbolz | antocuni: that sounds weird | 13:59 |
| lucian | cfbolz: i meant using bitbucket's strip, if no one has pulled the dummy yet | 13:59 |
| antocuni | http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/TipsAndTricks | 13:59 |
| antocuni | point 22 | 13:59 |
| CIA-68 | 03guibou 07roundup * 10#932/Python 1.7 slower on home maid path tracing than 1.6: | 14:00 |
| CIA-68 | [new] I just tested pypy 1.7 on very poor implementation of path tracing I wrote for | 14:00 |
| CIA-68 | fun. (it is mainly a copy/paste/rewrite version of the C sma ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue932 | 14:00 |
| arigato | it does sound weird, but indeed, it looks like the only way to "delete" some checkins | 14:01 |
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| arigato | lucian: that's a bit too late, I'd rather not have random repos out there suddenly break | 14:02 |
| antocuni | arigato: I still don't understand why merging it to closed-branches doesn't work, but ok | 14:03 |
| lucian | arigato: sure. but they wouldn't break anyway. the only risk is that one of them would push back to bitbucket and undo the strip | 14:03 |
| antocuni | arigato: also, stripping from the bitbucket repo would not break anything. The only risk is that if someone already pulled and the pushes again, the checkin will "resurrect" | 14:04 |
| stakkars | hmm, I really cannot determine exactly what happened. | 14:04 |
| arigato | well if someone already pulled, he definitely gets two heads and is in a confused state | 14:05 |
| arigato | http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/TipsAndTricks point 22 doesn't seem to work | 14:06 |
| Action: arigato tries to do it manually | 14:07 | |
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| arigato | maybe | 14:12 |
| kenaan | 12arigo default 115b572a486ead 15/pypy/rpython/test/test_rclass.py: No-op clarification. | 14:13 |
| kenaan | 12arigo default 119e1ad8713760 15/: Attempt to kill 5225def4e322, which contains the broken merges 015d05dac523 and 4dcb9ca387a6. | 14:13 |
| arigato | ok, that worked | 14:13 |
| arigato | stakkars: I've no clue how you did the merge, but in any case, it was broken: your two merges don't have two ancestors but one | 14:14 |
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| CIA-68 | 03peterjc 07roundup * 10#933/AttributeError: 'pyexpat.XMLParserType' object has no attribute 'StartElementHandler': | 14:15 |
| CIA-68 | [new] I didn't report this earlier as our code was blocked by Issue 914, which is now | 14:15 |
| CIA-68 | fixed in PyPy 1.7. | 14:15 |
| CIA-68 | Expected behaviour to match C Python: ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue933 | 14:15 |
| arigato | everyone: done, please update to the current head before checking in stuff | 14:15 |
| stakkars | I'm very sorry, did not recognize it. | 14:16 |
| arigato | (or check in with an older head and "merge heads", but just please not with the broken 5225def4e322) | 14:16 |
| antocuni | arigato: how did you fix it at the end? | 14:17 |
| arigato | a dummy merge | 14:17 |
| antocuni | ah, good to know that it works | 14:18 |
| arigato | yes, it seems to. I was confused for a while | 14:18 |
| arigato | but the instructions of http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/TipsAndTricks are correct | 14:19 |
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| stakkars | btw, which buildbot showed the crashes that I caused? | 14:25 |
| arigato | stakkars: none, we would have seen them tomorrow | 14:25 |
| arigato | stakkars: but on heads, we couldn't run "translate.py" any more | 14:26 |
| arigato | (it was found out by bivab first, more precisely) | 14:26 |
| stakkars | which platform? I need to fix thet | 14:27 |
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| arigato | stakkars: you don't need to fix anything | 14:53 |
| stakkars | I'm so sorry that I caused this mess. | 14:54 |
| arigato | no problem, it occurs | 14:54 |
| stakkars | there are hundreds of files flagged with "M U". | 14:58 |
| stakkars | is that important? | 14:58 |
| kenaan | 12arigo default 11ab5c477f2f34 15/pypy/rpython/test/test_rclass.py: Disable a half-broken test that fails on Python 2.7 (see comments). | 14:59 |
| arigato | I don't know TortoiseHG | 14:59 |
| arigato | but you should be working from fbf211aee071 with no big number of local modified files | 15:00 |
| stakkars | ah, hundreds unresolved conflicts :-( | 15:01 |
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| arigato | does _continuation work on win32 on "default"? | 15:01 |
| stakkars | can't check right now, machine busy... | 15:02 |
| stakkars | idt did, Saturday | 15:03 |
| jmr_mp | is gcc-4.0 still the only apple compiler that builds pypy correctly? | 15:04 |
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| stakkars | testing win32 default _continuation | 15:18 |
| arigato | thanks :-) | 15:19 |
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| arigato | jmr_mp: no, we gave up on using the special feature on OS/X, so now any ANSI C compiler should be ok | 15:20 |
| stakkars | yes, works fine! | 15:20 |
| arigato | stakkars: :-) | 15:20 |
| jmr_mp | arigato: ok, cool | 15:20 |
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| jmr_mp | arigato: it wasn't clear because the comments in darwin.py still say otherwise | 15:21 |
| stakkars | arigato: ah, but crashes in win64-stage1 !!! | 15:21 |
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| arigato | stakkars_: fails for me: | 15:30 |
| arigato | NMAKE : fatal error U1073: don't know how to make 'switch_x86_msvc.a.obj' | 15:30 |
| arigato | running pypy/rlib/test/test_rstacklet.py | 15:30 |
| kenaan | 12l.diekmann type-specialized-instances 11510e6bc4ef58 15/pypy/objspace/std/mapdict.py: None should be erased by PlainAttribute | 15:31 |
| kenaan | 12l.diekmann type-specialized-instances 1190348184732d 15/pypy/objspace/std/test/test_mapdict.py: fixed some tests where storage items are erased. there is no general erasing pair anymore s... | 15:31 |
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| gabriel_ | hi! | 15:32 |
| arigato | but indeed, the tests in pypy/module/_continuation work | 15:32 |
| arigato | gabriel_: hi | 15:32 |
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| gabriel_ | i just checked out the latest version of pypy from bitbucket and started the translation | 15:32 |
| gabriel_ | it takes huuge amounts of memory | 15:33 |
| td123 | I was wondering, if pypy is compatible with the C interface for python, why do you have to rewrite numpy? | 15:33 |
| gabriel_ | i didn't have the problem with older versions | 15:33 |
| arigato | gabriel_: http://pypy.org/download.html#building-from-source : does it take more than explained in this paragraph? | 15:34 |
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| arigato | td123: numpy is using a lot of tricks that go beyond the limited compatibility we provide, | 15:35 |
| gabriel_ | i've got 8 gigs of ram and it's swapping.... | 15:35 |
| arigato | td123: and fixing it to support it is pointless because you would get a very slow result | 15:35 |
| gabriel_ | output from top: 8580 gabriel 20 0 9241m 6.4g 1064 D 9 83.7 24:43.87 pypy | 15:37 |
| arigato | gabriel_: that looks like far too much | 15:37 |
| gabriel_ | that's what i thought | 15:37 |
| gabriel_ | it's not the first time, that i translate pypy myself | 15:38 |
| arigato | gabriel_: can you tell us more precisely which platform, and which revision? | 15:38 |
| gabriel_ | never had that problem before | 15:38 |
| gabriel_ | linux x64 | 15:38 |
| gabriel_ | this version of pypy is what i'm using for translation: | 15:39 |
| gabriel_ | Python 2.7.1 (d5cc360c2060, Nov 08 2011, 14:29:28) | 15:39 |
| gabriel_ | [PyPy 1.7.1-dev0 with GCC 4.6.1] on linux2 | 15:39 |
| arigato | gabriel_: ah, there is a known issue | 15:39 |
| arigato | yes, it was fixed on the 11th of November | 15:40 |
| arigato | if that's the problem, it's caught in an infinite loop consuming more and more RAM | 15:40 |
| arigato | can you try again by using the official pypy-1.7-linux64 release for translation? | 15:41 |
| gabriel_ | ok, i will | 15:41 |
| arigato | thank you | 15:41 |
| gabriel_ | thanks for the help | 15:41 |
| gabriel_ | oh, great! the current official build works out of the box on ubuntu 11.10. with 1.6 I had library-issues | 15:46 |
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| Unhelpful | huh, gcc native transactional memory in the pipeline. but i'm assuming you don't want to be tied to a compiler implementation? | 15:54 |
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| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 115f60920a9b51 15/pypy/jit/backend/arm/regalloc.py: (arigo, bivab) remove a reference to boxes | 15:55 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 1132cc8083b6f1 15/: merge default | 15:55 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 112c3c610bb2de 15/pypy/jit/backend/arm/runner.py: (arigo, bivab) remove gcremovetypeptr for the arm backend for now | 15:55 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 11b9c81b1b4af5 15/: merge default | 15:55 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 11406a32f88290 15/pypy/jit/backend/arm/regalloc.py: remove another reference to boxes | 15:55 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 11955f8735ff0f 15/: merge default | 15:55 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 11b14409bab3b1 15/pypy/jit/backend/arm/regalloc.py: more fixes | 15:55 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 1181bac4da2b46 15/: merge heads | 15:55 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 112ec66beccfff 15/pypy/rpython/test/test_rclass.py: merge default (again) | 15:55 |
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| jterrace | is the PPA (https://launchpad.net/~pypy/+archive/ppa) going to get updated with 1.7? | 16:01 |
| xorAxAx | jterrace: ask https://launchpad.net/~pypy | 16:01 |
| rguillebert | AKA getxsick apparently | 16:03 |
| Action: arigato wonders how much fixing we'd need if we strengthen the rpython rule about Unsigned: | 16:05 | |
| arigato | at annotation-time, union(Signed, Unsigned) crashes, unless you do union(constant-Signed, Unsigned) | 16:05 |
| arigato | (and then even the constant signed must not be negative) | 16:06 |
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| bivab | a char is also considered as signed? | 16:30 |
| arigato | yes | 16:32 |
| arigato | well no | 16:32 |
| stakkars | arigato: fixed, works on (default, win32), (win64-stage1, win32), (win64-stage1, win64) | 16:32 |
| arigato | a char is its own type, and you have to use ord(), which returns a signed | 16:32 |
| stakkars | arigato: sorry, this message is wrong again after the last merge :-( | 16:32 |
| stakkars | how do I get back changes which were overwritten in the merge? | 16:33 |
| stakkars | a quite substantial amount of changes | 16:34 |
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| arigato | stakkars: basically, you want to get rid of the broken merge attempt you did, and do a clean merge? | 16:42 |
| stakkars | arigato: yes, I did this, but then some modules were overwritten, the version that was checked it seemed to win over my now older changes. | 16:44 |
| arigato | fwiw what you checked in is not a merge at all | 16:44 |
| arigato | a merge is a changeset with two ancestors | 16:44 |
| arigato | I have no clue how you made the changesets which you checked in, but they have only one ancestor | 16:45 |
| stakkars | which checking, the mess you mean? | 16:45 |
| arigato | 015d05dac523 and 4dcb9ca387a6 | 16:45 |
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| stakkars | well, I reverted and then merged with the new default tip | 16:46 |
| arigato | 015d05dac523 and 4dcb9ca387a6 are not merges at all | 16:46 |
| stakkars | and then many patches were gone | 16:46 |
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| ronny | arigato: i just stumbled uppon http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/TransactionalMemory (starting with gcc 4.7) | 16:47 |
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| arigato | ronny: interesting | 16:49 |
| gabriel_ | arigato: translation worked like a charm using the official release | 16:49 |
| arigato | :-) | 16:49 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | cfbolz: Can you update the version number in docs/conf.py? | 17:14 |
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| kenaan | 12ctismer win64-stage1 11b5a4bc7caf97 15/: more unification of int and long | 17:45 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64-stage1 1144db5b5f850f 15/: Merge with default | 17:45 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64-stage1 110c8590e158a9 15/pypy/: cleanup of merge conflicts | 17:45 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64-stage1 115030492cfa10 15/pypy/rpython/lltypesystem/rffi.py: merge heads | 17:45 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64-stage1 11ba80ac53c5fb 15/: bad bad | 17:45 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64-stage1 11413ea7aa3594 15/: reverted merge with default | 17:46 |
| ita | pypy 1.7 hangs with subprocess (pypy 1.6 does not) | 17:47 |
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| CIA-68 | 03ita 07roundup * 10#934/subprocess hangs in 1.7 (but not in 1.6 or 1.5): | 17:58 |
| CIA-68 | [new] The problem is new in 1.7, after launching processes pypy can just hang. Try the | 17:58 |
| CIA-68 | testcase in attachment | 17:58 |
| CIA-68 | It is probably unrelated but it ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue934 | 17:58 |
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| ita | that's my report ^^ :-) ^^ | 17:59 |
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| chronitis | amaury_: http://pastebin.com/Bdv1Yd3n < convert "string" to "bytes" in py3k | 18:11 |
| chronitis | ah, too late | 18:11 |
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| arigato | cfbolz: I'm working on the recursive immutable problem | 18:24 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer win64-stage1 118cd49e98e5a5 15/pypy/translator/platform/windows.py: relevant_environ updated for windows | 18:29 |
| kenaan | 12ctismer default 11d4d7276882d4 15/pypy/translator/platform/windows.py: relevant_environ updated for windows | 18:29 |
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| kenaan | 12ctismer win64-stage1 11d3cf57e55482 15/pypy/translator/platform/windows.py: merged with default | 18:33 |
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| jmr_mp | arigato: seems gcc-4.2 still fails: http://pastebin.com/y1Q1XiHG | 18:34 |
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| arigato | jmr_mp: this doesn't look like a gcc version issue | 18:38 |
| arigato | it's a typing error in micronumpy | 18:38 |
| jmr_mp | arigato: nonetheless it builds ok if I use gcc-4.0 | 18:38 |
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| arigato | jmr_mp: that's rather strange | 18:38 |
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| arigato | maybe it is a random order-dependent failure? | 18:38 |
| jmr_mp | could be, I don't really feel like building several more times though :) | 18:39 |
| arigato | yes, I understand | 18:39 |
| arigato | ah, btw, I don't know which version of gcc our mac buildslave uses | 18:40 |
| arigato | I guess it's just the one out of the box | 18:40 |
| jmr_mp | default in darwin.py is gcc-4.0 | 18:40 |
| arigato | ah, right, ok | 18:41 |
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| arigato | well we should make sure that the paste above ends up being seen by the micronumpy guys | 18:41 |
| arigato | (!= me :-) | 18:41 |
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| arigato | please add it as a bug to bugs.pypy.org | 18:43 |
| jmr_mp | arigato: sure | 18:43 |
| arigato | thank you :-) | 18:43 |
| kenaan | 12arigo default 117744697c53dd 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/test/test_optimizeopt.py: Improve the tests, testing a fully recursive solution. | 18:43 |
| kenaan | 12arigo default 1126947e25881a 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/: Write the recursive possibly-looping case of this logic. | 18:43 |
| kenaan | 12arigo default 119106a03c8a60 15/pypy/translator/platform/windows.py: merge heads | 18:43 |
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| CIA-68 | 03arigo 07roundup * 10#933/AttributeError: 'pyexpat.XMLParserType' object has no attribute 'StartElementHandler': | 18:52 |
| CIA-68 | [chatting] Ah, it seems to be that W_XMLParserType has a __setattr__ method but no | 18:52 |
| CIA-68 | __getattr__, which would mean that you can set attributes like ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue933 | 18:52 |
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| CIA-68 | 03jmr 07roundup * 10#935/Possible typing error in micronumpy: | 19:05 |
| CIA-68 | [new] Platform: OS X 10.6.8 x86_64, Xcode 3.2.6 | 19:05 |
| CIA-68 | See attached traceback that occurred during translation. I was going to chalk | 19:05 |
| CIA-68 | this up to gcc- ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue935 | 19:05 |
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| kenaan | 12arigo default 11ddbc82ef4d8f 15/pypy/module/pyexpat/: Test and fix: instead of using a custom __setattr__ handler (and no __getattr__, creating confusion), create a bunc... | 19:13 |
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| chronitis | amaury_: http://pastebin.com/Bdv1Yd3n < convert "string" to "bytes" in py3k (with some comments at the top) | 19:18 |
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| CIA-68 | 03arigo 07roundup * 10#933/AttributeError: 'pyexpat.XMLParserType' object has no attribute 'StartElementHandler': [resolved] Fixed in ddbc82ef4d8f. * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue933 | 19:24 |
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| fijal | seems pypy is mature enough most comments on the blog are nonsense/insults :( | 20:28 |
| timonator | great! | 20:28 |
| ita | fijal: :P | 20:29 |
| fijal | timonator: I'm sorry your changes didn't make it | 20:29 |
| timonator | no problem, it's mostly my fault for being a lazy bum | 20:29 |
| amaury_ | fijal: :-( indeed | 20:29 |
| timonator | FWIW, i'm not too sure why you decided to call it "numpypy" instead of "numpy" | 20:30 |
| fijal | timonator: because it's not ready | 20:30 |
| fijal | and people complained | 20:30 |
| Alex_Gaynor | because numpy people asked. | 20:30 |
| timonator | was it to signal to the users/developers, that the compatibility is ... yeah, ok | 20:30 |
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| timonator | hm, i believed there were already nightly windows builds. is the lack of a windows build due to the calling convention mixup still? | 20:32 |
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| timonator | anyway, don't let the "politics" get to you. you are all doing fantastic jobs and pypy is an amazing project | 20:34 |
| fijal | timonator: it's hard to live without politics | 20:35 |
| timonator | that was referring mostly to the entitled people who say "well, you should have waited with the release until you have windows binaries!" | 20:35 |
| fijal | yeah well | 20:36 |
| fijal | I was given a good quote today | 20:36 |
| fijal | those people don't contribute anything to the world | 20:36 |
| fijal | so why bother | 20:36 |
| kenaan | 12mattip numpy-monkeyaround 11a5ced36cd80a 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/: add test and implementation for transpose, add test for set_shape | 20:37 |
| fijal | ok, I'll look into issues tomorrow | 20:38 |
| timonator | that is true. better to concentrate on being awesome | 20:39 |
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| fijal | grumble | 20:41 |
| fijal | timonator: windows build was underway | 20:42 |
| fijal | but probably stopped because some tests crashed and had dialog boxes with "ok" | 20:42 |
| fijal | to be clicked | 20:42 |
| timonator | gaah, that problem still :( | 20:42 |
| fijal | I think it's a problem family | 20:43 |
| timonator | i thought someone found some kind of hack which would disable all kinds of boxes through some registry entry or something similar? | 20:43 |
| fijal | I don't think there is a hack that disables all | 20:43 |
| fijal | but you can disable some | 20:43 |
| fijal | I don't know, I don't follow the windows development, I don't care | 20:43 |
| arigato | there is a different hack | 20:44 |
| arigato | stakkars has a program that actively notices such dialog boxes and click Ok for you | 20:44 |
| fijal | arigato: did you install the thing that disables dr watson btw? | 20:44 |
| arigato | fijal: that was long ago, I happily forgot all details | 20:44 |
| fijal | ok | 20:45 |
| timonator | all right | 20:45 |
| fijal | anyway, nto that I care | 20:46 |
| fijal | arigato: cool, few issues reported , but nothing major | 20:46 |
| arigato | yes | 20:46 |
| fijal | good I suppose | 20:46 |
| arigato | thank you for your job as release manager | 20:46 |
| fijal | np | 20:47 |
| arigato | fwiw, I still agree with the comment from "D" on the blog, missing the point of "numpypy" | 20:47 |
| arigato | vs "numpy" | 20:47 |
| fijal | arigato: http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/TransactionalMemory | 20:48 |
| fijal | have you seen this? | 20:48 |
| arigato | it has been posted earlier today | 20:49 |
| arigato | but I didn't look in detail so far | 20:49 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: it looks like jeremy siek worked on the BOOST version | 20:49 |
| fijal | Alex_Gaynor: ? | 20:50 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: of the STM stuff | 20:50 |
| fijal | really? | 20:50 |
| fijal | cool | 20:50 |
| arigato | fijal: re numpypy: we'll *probably* renaming it back once it's finished? | 20:52 |
| fijal | yes? | 20:52 |
| arigato | only "probably"? | 20:52 |
| fijal | I don't want anyone to quote me on this | 20:53 |
| Alex_Gaynor | that's the future, who knows! | 20:53 |
| fijal | as far as I know now, we're renaming it | 20:53 |
| arigato | I say that if, when we think we are finished, numpy people still object, then it's their problem, not ours | 20:53 |
| fijal | yes | 20:53 |
| timonator | making the interpreter faster is quite low on the priority list, is that correct? | 20:53 |
| fijal | timonator: it's not low, it's just a bit unclear how | 20:53 |
| fijal | I mean if you provide a way to make interpreter faster, I'm all ears | 20:54 |
| fijal | other than "just hack at like million places" | 20:54 |
| timonator | that's what cpython does, correct? | 20:54 |
| fijal | arigato: I agree | 20:54 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: we're a bit fond of "faster, for free, everywhere" :) | 20:54 |
| fijal | arigato: I don't want the discussion to start now | 20:54 |
| arigato | timonator: yes :-) | 20:54 |
| timonator | right. i'm sorry, but i don't have any ideas :\ | 20:54 |
| arigato | fijal: ok :-) | 20:54 |
| fijal | timonator: :) | 20:55 |
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| Ademan | congrats on 1.7 | 20:55 |
| fijal | Ademan: thanks | 20:57 |
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| timonator | what's the status of memory usage benchmarks? are benchmarks missing or is benchmark infrastructure missing? | 21:05 |
| fijal | both | 21:07 |
| timonator | i've started work on a benchmark "framework", that forks itself, executes a python callable and measures the maxrss of the child - does that sound like something i could flesh out for you to use? | 21:09 |
| timonator | it needs a lot more work before it's actually useful. it doesn't store the results of benchmark runs yet, for instance | 21:09 |
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| fijal | maxrss might not be an answer | 21:13 |
| fijal | might as well be, a bit depends | 21:13 |
| timonator | right, but i haven't found anything more useful that's still easy to get | 21:13 |
| fijal | timonator: storing can be done as simply as json.dumps(results) | 21:14 |
| timonator | of course. in fact, the child already sends its relevant data to the parent as a json dumped object | 21:14 |
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| fijal | armin had some code that did some analysis | 21:14 |
| fijal | we can also upload it to a codespeed instance | 21:14 |
| timonator | but there's more to it than just storing it into one big file. there should be some kind of organisation and analysis | 21:14 |
| fijal | well, ok :) | 21:14 |
| timonator | does codespeed have a way to display memory usage yet? | 21:15 |
| fijal | can't codespeed do that? | 21:15 |
| fijal | it's all graphs | 21:15 |
| fijal | it doesn' | 21:15 |
| fijal | t care | 21:15 |
| timonator | heh. i know next to nothing about codespeed, so one of you would have to answer that | 21:15 |
| timonator | ah, so the file would just say "memory usage" somewhere instead of "execution time" or something? | 21:15 |
| fijal | I don't think there is an issue with that | 21:15 |
| fijal | I don't think the file says execution time anywhere | 21:15 |
| fijal | but whatever | 21:15 |
| Action: fijal off to bed though | 21:16 | |
| timonator | oh, that's true, it only says "result" | 21:16 |
| timonator | good night! | 21:16 |
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| timonator | wow, holy hell, the json_bench is ridiculously slow with non-jit-pypy compared to cpython - not that it's of any real interest, just stumbled upon it | 21:20 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | For anyone who wants a debugging challenge, see if you can find out why this test fails: http://ci.djangoproject.com/job/Django/database=sqlite3,python=pypy1.7/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/django.contrib.humanize.tests/HumanizeTests/test_naturaltime/ | 21:23 |
| Alex_Gaynor | it's a fun one~! | 21:23 |
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| timonator | Alex_Gaynor: sqlite brings its own datetime class? | 21:29 |
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| stakkars | fijal: contact me if you need such a proggy. | 21:54 |
| stakkars | arigato: I would like to add a win32 build bot, anyway. Better than using the existing one. | 21:55 |
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