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fijalhi06:37
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fijalAlex_Gaynor: I bet mozilla is thinking "those guys are yet at the tracing level, pfff"06:44
Alex_Gaynorfijal: oh well, works for us and luajit, good enough for me.06:44
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fijalif it's good enough for mike it's good enough for us :)06:44
Alex_Gaynorsomeone should arange for armin and mike to give a recorded discussion of JITs together06:45
fijalhttps://mkw.st/p/gdd11-berlin-v8-performance-tuning-tricks/#106:51
fijalAlex_Gaynor: seen that?06:51
fijalAlex_Gaynor: so, numpy-multidim-shards is ready to go, except performance06:51
fijalI can either fight with the optimizer to improve it or wait for jit-targets06:52
Alex_Gaynorfijal: yes, I got scared at "don't use try/catch"06:52
Alex_Gaynorfijal: how's performance for single dim?  still ok?06:52
fijalI did not measure, but it's worse (for views)06:52
fijalI claim our sweet spot is bigger06:53
Alex_Gaynorfijal: so the only thing that's slow is slices?06:53
fijalyes06:53
fijalbut that's kinda bad06:53
fijalwell "slow"06:53
fijalcan be made faster06:53
fijaleh06:54
fijalI clicked on buttons and I can't get a slide back06:54
Alex_GaynorI guess I'm mostly ok with mreging then, we should get  numpy benchmarks06:54
fijalshit06:55
fijalthose slides are insane06:55
Alex_Gaynorfijal: also, wtf, they changed s[i] == '\u0000' to s.charCodeAt(i) == 006:56
Alex_Gaynorthat's insane06:56
fijalyes06:56
fijalI tweeted06:56
Alex_Gaynoravoid try/catch06:56
Alex_Gaynornonsense06:56
fijaluse WebGL typed arrays06:57
Alex_Gaynorfijal: well, first thing of not doing insane slicing and recursion is fair IMO06:57
Action: fijal feels inclined writing a blog post on that06:58
Alex_Gaynoreverything after that is BS06:58
fijalwell yes06:58
fijalbut the insane slicing can be optimized by the JIT anyway06:58
fijalby having a StringSlice type06:58
Alex_Gaynortrue07:00
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Alex_Gaynorfijal: so you're going to merge it?07:03
Alex_Gaynorfijal: and what about {list,set}-strategies?07:03
fijalI did some review on list-strategies07:04
fijalit's missing tests07:04
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Alex_Gaynordid you let carl or lukas know?07:05
fijalyes,. carl knows07:06
Alex_Gaynork07:06
Alex_Gaynorand set?07:06
fijaldid not look07:06
fijalcarl said he wants list to be merged first though07:06
Alex_Gaynorok07:06
fijalI think he actually said one after another, not sure if that implies order or not07:11
Action: fijal ponders07:11
fijalAlex_Gaynor: I can try fighting with the jit07:12
Alex_Gaynorsure, sounds cool :)07:12
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fijalgoogle gears is dead07:13
fijalhahaha07:15
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fijalhttp://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=579807:15
Alex_Gaynorfijal: I think carl was just saying run tests between merging them, not sure if he had an order in mind07:16
fijalcheck out the link07:16
Alex_Gaynorlol07:16
Alex_Gaynorfijal: btw, our ctypes has a bug wiht byref()07:16
Alex_Gaynorfeel like fixing it?07:17
fijalyes?07:17
fijalno :)07:17
fijalfeel like rethinking the way ctypes is done?07:17
Alex_Gaynorme neither, instead I started writing documenttion for my imaginary ctypes replacement07:17
fijalcool07:17
Alex_Gaynorfijal: our ctypes or ctypes in general?07:17
fijalour ctyeps07:18
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Alex_Gaynornot particularly, it neesd a more sane division between python and rpython07:19
Alex_Gaynorwe shouldn't be creating classes and rolling back stuff07:19
fijalyes07:20
fijalwell07:21
fijalthat was my opinion to anto when he started really07:21
fijalthat the interface is not that usable right now07:21
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fijalAlex_Gaynor: what are you doing?08:35
Alex_Gaynorfijal: designing a new python FFI, from the ground up08:35
fijalah08:35
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kenaan12fijal numpy-multidim-shards 110c2425c1ad39 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/: rename shards to strides08:49
Action: fijal cleans up branches a bit08:51
kenaan12fijal numpy-multidim 11d75c3a9b6c25 15/: merge numpy-multidim-shards08:51
kenaan12fijal numpy-multidim-shards 11d0d86e088b8b 15/: close merged branch08:51
Alex_Gaynorfijal: have you verified test coverage is still good on this branch?08:51
fijalgood point08:52
Alex_Gaynoron my branch the only untested stuff (on my machine) is 32-bit and some raiseNotImplementedErrors08:52
fijalI would say so, but I'll double check08:52
Alex_Gaynorfijal: ./pytest.py --cov-report=html --cov=pypy/module/micronumpy/ pypy/module/micronumpy/ -x08:52
fijalyeah yeah08:52
fijalexcept it does not work for me for obscure reasons08:53
fijalI'm fighting with test_zjit08:53
Alex_Gaynoras in it fails?08:54
fijalyes obviously08:54
Alex_Gaynorfijal: btw, did I tell you I found the closure that space got caught in?08:54
fijalI mean fails because operations are wrong08:54
fijalno08:54
fijalwhere was it?08:55
Alex_Gaynorfijal: 93b855d2ce6008:55
fijalah08:56
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fijalarigato: hi08:59
arigatohi08:59
Action: arigato trying to remember where on earth he put the draft file he wrote 3 days ago09:00
fijal:)09:00
fijaldraft for what?09:00
arigato"find mtime" fails to find it :-((09:00
arigatofor http://armin-rigo.blogspot.com/09:01
Action: fijal didn't know such a place exists09:01
Alex_Gaynordifferent machine maybe?09:01
arigatoit exists since 3 days ago09:01
arigatoAlex_Gaynor: not impossible, I suppose, even if unlikely09:02
fijalarigato: that's why I commit all my drafts 09:02
fijalhm09:02
fijalif instance.next() should return a new instance (let's say) how do I do this in RPython?09:03
fijalI need kind of 2 inits09:03
fijalin python I would have classmethods or something09:03
Alex_Gaynoryou can't do a classmethod in RPython?09:04
fijalyou can't instantiate a new object without calling init I think09:04
fijalI'll just do an empty init09:04
Alex_Gaynorfijal: yes you can09:04
fijalhow?09:04
Alex_Gaynorrlib.objectmodel.instantiate09:04
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fijalAlex_Gaynor: I'll put length-of-shape in signature09:10
fijaland propagate it all over the place09:10
Alex_Gaynorwrite tests09:10
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fijalyop09:11
fijalAlex_Gaynor: which jit_driver is sum?09:18
fijalone in interp_ufuncs?09:19
Alex_Gaynorfijal: it doesn't have it's own, it just calls the ufunc reduce method, so it's the reduce once09:19
fijalright09:19
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fijalok, progress09:26
Alex_Gaynortowards?09:26
fijalAlex_Gaynor: you don't have to tell me to write tests09:26
kenaan12fijal numpy-multidim 11b56fd5dc80b5 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/: fix test_zjit until test_slice09:26
Alex_Gaynorfijal: it's not that I'm telling you, it's that I tell everyone, and you happen to be a subset of everyone09:28
fijalbut this is not a contribution09:28
Alex_Gaynorfijal: it is for some other people :)  Why does test_add now perform 3 int_adds?09:29
fijalbecause you can have different iterators09:30
fijalthey happen to be the same and we might want to optimize it one day09:30
fijalit's not that it's hard09:30
fijalbut if you ask me, there are other places where we can optimize assembler than getting rid of 2 adds09:31
Alex_Gaynorah, because they might be at different indexes, whereas the current one would generate different code if they were slice iterators09:31
Alex_Gaynorok cool09:32
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fijalAlex_Gaynor: there are few lines with missing tests indeed09:34
fijalsome actually interesting09:34
Alex_Gaynorfijal: heh, so perhaps suggesting to run coverage and write tests was useful afer all :)09:34
fijalperhaps :)09:34
Action: fijal is waiting for armins blog post09:44
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kenaan12arigo default 11b51d37b92694 15/pypy/config/: Try to detect conflicting options with the gc.11:02
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arigatowow11:20
Action: arigato writes a random script that takes 40 seconds to load, and finds out that with pypy it loads in about 5 seconds11:21
timonator"load"? does that mean importing everything or actual run time of some sort?11:22
arigatoactual run time11:23
arigatothe script starts by loading a big gzip file and building some data structure in memory based on what's in there11:24
timonatorah, that's pretty neat!11:24
timonatorespecially since a few months ago, gzip performance was seriously hurting, but that may be averted by not actually unpacking the thing to disk or something11:25
arigatoyay :-)  the script allowed me to find again my lost text11:26
arigatoit was loading some list of all files together with their mtime11:27
arigatoand displaying them in a searchable html tree11:27
arigatosorted by mtime11:28
arigatothe trick is: the file dates back to 5 days ago, and I was searching only up to 4 days ago11:28
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fijalhm12:25
fijalhow do you usually deal with API that can either return JSON or html?12:25
timonatorone way is to send something similar to accept-encoding: json 12:26
timonatorwell, probably as a mimetype12:26
fijalpfff12:27
fijalwrong channel12:28
fijalsorry for spam :)12:28
fijalarigato: I suppose you did not find your draft :)12:32
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fijalhi carl12:42
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fijalcfbolz: http://hynek.tumblr.com/post/13199807770/vegan-meals12:44
fijalI find this very accurate12:44
fijalcfbolz: so will lukas add tests?12:45
fijalI can probably do as well12:45
cfbolzfijal: he will, eventually12:45
cfbolzfijal: but if you want to, go ahead12:45
fijalok12:46
fijalI'm a bit busy untill weekend probably12:46
fijalbut if he does not I might12:46
fijalI also have my branches to merge12:46
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fijalcfbolz: what are you doing? (with relation to your tweet)13:00
cfbolzarmin and david are hunting some unsignedness propagation13:01
fijaluh13:01
fijalfun :/13:01
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CIA-6803cfbolz 07roundup * 10#927/Task takes more time on nightly than CPython 2.7: 13:39
CIA-68FWIW, on the set-strategies branch this also becomes quite a bit faster, so13:39
CIA-68maybe in combination with the improvements to the GC infrastructure w ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue92713:39
kenaan12bivab disable_merge_different_int_types 113cb58bdf354f 15/pypy/: (arigo, bivab): enforce sanity when merging inttypes13:40
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fijalrandom question13:48
fijalcan you use continuelets in a way that lets exception come back to the point where it was raised by an instruction in the exception block?13:48
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cfbolzmfoord: hi michael13:52
mfoordcfbolz: hey, hi13:52
cfbolzhow are things?13:52
mfoordcfbolz: congratz on the 1.7 release13:52
mfoordcfbolz: good, in a meeting right now :-)13:52
cfbolzmfoord: thanks13:53
mfoordcfbolz: how's life?13:53
cfbolz(didn't actually help much with the actual releasing)13:53
mfoordhehe13:53
cfbolzlife's good, should do more thesis-writing though13:53
mfoordcfbolz: how is stm going? Promising early results13:54
mfoord?13:54
mfoordcfbolz: what's your current thesis on?13:54
cfbolzmfoord: I hope to finish the phd till summer13:54
cfbolzpypy :-)13:54
cfbolzworking title is "principle and practice of meta-tracing JITs"13:54
mfoordcfbolz: good :-) (to both points)13:55
mfoordyowzer :-)13:55
cfbolzmfoord: how's your daughter?13:55
mfoordactually finishing your phd - my goodness13:55
mfoordcfbolz: adorable and noisy 13:55
cfbolzboth good13:55
mfoordyep13:55
mfoordI'm teaching her to program: watch13:56
mfoordhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFehyA_hyvA13:56
cfbolzvery convincing13:57
cfbolzyou should give her an ipad13:57
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timonatorwow, the way she leans on her hands will give her RSI in no time!13:58
cfbolzmfoord: stm is slow-going13:58
mfoordtimonator: haha - I will warn her13:58
timonatorgreat. better set her up with a expensive ergonomics chair from early on :)13:59
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mfoordtimonator: having a kid is expensive enough already...13:59
mfoordcfbolz: I can believe it is slow going& :-)13:59
timonatorcosts not only lots of nerves, i suppose?13:59
mfoordtimonator: well, Delia is amazing - she does all the work...13:59
cfbolzmfoord: doesn't canonical pay you enough? :-)14:00
mfoordcfbolz: haha, no comment14:00
Action: fijal would like to hear some comments14:00
fijalmfoord: howzit?14:01
kenaan12l.diekmann list-strategies 1147318b7c592d 15/pypy/objspace/std/: added more tests for so far uncovered code in listobject.setslice14:01
mfoordfijal: hey, hi14:02
mfoordfijal: I can send you comments privately if you want - although I thought we'd had this discussion14:02
fijalyeah I guess so14:02
mfoordfijal: are you doing paid work on pypy at the moment, or looking for work, or both?14:02
fijalalthough if you have something new you're more than welcome :)14:02
fijalalmost none of those :)14:02
fijalI'm looking for *some* work14:03
mfoordif you ever want to work with canonical let me know :-)14:04
fijalcool :)14:05
mfoordnot that I can hand out jobs - but I can try and help14:05
fijalmfoord: well, doesn't canonical require people to write web apps full time?14:05
fijalmfoord: let me know if canonical wants to use pypy :)14:07
fijalI can be of help then14:07
mfoordright14:07
cfbolzfijal: apart from the missing test, any comments to list-strategies?14:07
mfoordfijal: my team does web apps - lots of things happen at canonical14:07
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mfoordfijal: you can write C++ full time if you want14:07
fijalcfbolz: not yet, but I'm not done yet14:08
fijalcfbolz: if you feel like merging though, go ahead14:08
fijalcfbolz: or shall I just continue reviewing?14:08
cfbolzfijal: would be nice14:08
kenaan12bivab disable_merge_different_int_types 11f66f9c00f119 15/pypy/: (arigo, bivab): more fixes14:08
fijalok14:08
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dropdriveHi all, where can I browse/download the source of numpypy?14:26
ronnydropdrive: its in the main repo14:28
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fijaldropdrive: it comes included in the build14:31
fijaldropdrive: or do you want to play with it?14:31
ronnydropdrive: the code is in pypy/module/micronumpy which gets the name numpypy at applevel14:32
dropdrivefijal: I was going to poke around the source.14:32
dropdriveronny: Thanks, I kept looking for "numpypy"14:32
fijaldropdrive: it's in pypy/module/micronumpy14:33
fijalwe should rename the directory14:33
fijalronny: oops :)14:33
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fijaldropdrive: we also have a list of tasks to do14:33
dropdrivefijal: I'll take a look, but I don't really have that much experience :)14:34
fijaldoes not matter14:34
dropdriveWhich branch should I be looking at for the latest numpypy/micronumpy stuff?14:35
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fijaldropdrive: it depends a bit what do you want to work on14:40
fijalthere are few branches, but each of them implements a different feature14:40
dropdrivefijal: Let's say, multi-dim arrays?14:44
fijalthen numpy-multidim is the correct branch14:44
fijalit is mostly ready14:44
fijalbut there is functionality missing14:45
fijallike .flat14:45
fijalfor example14:45
dropdrivefijal: Thanks, and numpy-dtype for the new dtype stuff14:45
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fijalyes14:45
fijalI don't think there are more active branches14:45
fijalmaybe numpy-applevel or something like that14:46
kenaan12ctismer win64-stage1 11c70ae8696466 15/: Merge with default14:48
kenaan12bivab disable_merge_different_int_types 1196f0a1fe89b1 15/pypy/annotation/binaryop.py: raise UnionError14:53
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parAdox1i have question about python)))15:28
parAdox1can i call private module function from another module?15:29
exarkunparAdox1: Try #python15:29
exarkun#pypy is a channel about the new Python runtime named PyPy.  #python is a channel for general discussion about the Python programming language.15:29
chronitisthe short answer is yes. #python can give you a longer answer, as noted15:30
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cfbolzfijal: any more comments or should I merge15:34
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kenaan12hakanardo jit-targets 11556382e97898 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/test/test_virtualstate.py: fix test17:41
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fijalcfbolz: sorry went away17:45
fijalcfbolz: I think looks good to me?17:46
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kenaan12hakanardo jit-targets 11175f0efa03c1 15/pypy/jit/tool/: reenable autoconstruction of jump descr in oparser18:00
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kenaan12hakanardo jit-targets 11c4496275b179 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/test/test_zjit.py: fix test18:11
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kenaan12hakanardo jit-targets 111ece77c7b9ff 15/pypy/jit/backend/x86/test/test_gc_integration.py: fix test18:22
hakanardoarigato: ping18:23
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fijalremote: unsynced changes18:33
fijalnice18:33
kenaan12fijal default 11461ca1ae9f2a 15/pypy/tool/jitlogparser/parser.py: copy this function from jitviewer18:33
kenaan12fijal default 110a31d8ef2f8a 15/: merge18:34
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CIA-6803DragonSA 07roundup * 10#929/Improve platform support for FreeBSD: 19:32
CIA-68[chatting] Another FreeBSD patch.19:32
CIA-68Do not include `dl' when checking for libgc (boehm). * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue92919:32
CIA-6803DragonSA 07roundup * 10#936/Properly preprocess ctypes checks: 19:37
CIA-68[new] Properly preprocess the include and library directories for the ctypes checks.19:37
CIA-68This fixes detection of libexpat under FreeBSD (since libe ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue93619:37
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hakanardojit/backend/x86/test/test_ztranslation tries to compile history.Stats19:42
hakanardois that intentional?19:42
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CIA-6803afa 07roundup * 10#936/Properly preprocess ctypes checks: [chatting] What do you mean by "Properly preprocess"? * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue93620:07
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kenaan12edelsohn ppc-jit-backend 11cccd047156c3 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/ppc_assembler.py: _ppc_direct_bootstrap_code must be function descriptor on PPC6420:17
kenaan12edelsohn ppc-jit-backend 114b6f56e2836f 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/opassembler.py: asm_helper_adr is function descriptor on PPC6420:17
CIA-6803DragonSA 07roundup * 10#936/Properly preprocess ctypes checks: 20:19
CIA-68Pass eci.include_dirs and eci.library_dirs through20:19
CIA-68platform.preprocess_include_dirs and platform.preprocess_library_dirs20:19
CIA-68respectively.20:19
CIA-68It ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue93620:19
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CIA-6803jpsutton 07roundup * 10#937/No error if "from __future__" imports are not at beginning of file: 20:33
CIA-68[new] If a "from __future__ import <some_feature>" line is added somewhere other than20:33
CIA-68the top of the file, pypy does not report this as a proble ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue93720:33
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kenaan12edelsohn ppc-jit-backend 1145dba217d143 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/helper/assembler.py: saved_registers must allocate and deallocate a full stack frame21:03
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CIA-6803benjamin 07roundup * 10#937/No error if "from __future__" imports are not at beginning of file: 22:08
CIA-68[wontfix] This is an implementation detail. If you remove the invalid syntax, then PyPy22:08
CIA-68will report the future import is too far down. It's simpl ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue93722:08
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bbot2Started: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/jit-benchmark-linux-x86-64/builds/14822:41
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kenaan12ctismer win64-stage1 11e399893be188 15/pypy/translator/c/src/commondefs.h: enabled support won win64 standalone builds23:07
kenaan12ctismer win64-stage1 1111e3b3558e79 15/pypy/: a few more int/long unifications. XXX I think this should be replaced by a range checking function.23:07
kenaan12ctismer win64-stage1 1153b5e001b4db 15/pypy/: a few more int/long unifications. XXX I think this should be replaced by a range checking function.23:07
kenaan12ctismer win64-stage1 117749a906e83a 15/pypy/translator/platform/windows.py: added explicit _WIN32/_WIN64 defns for nmake23:07
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