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gutworthAlex_Gaynor: ping00:36
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Alex_Gaynorgutworth: pong00:48
gutworthAlex_Gaynor: are abstracts/descriptions immutable now?00:49
Alex_Gaynorfor pycon?  I don't *think* so, but I don't swear to it00:50
Alex_Gaynorif you need to change something but can't ping jacobkm or jnoller, they'll know what to do00:50
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jterrace1Alex_Gaynor: ping02:57
Alex_Gaynorjterrace1: pong02:57
jterrace1the AxisIterator that fijal committed02:57
jterrace1it looks like it only iterates on the last axis?02:58
Alex_Gaynorwhat do you mean?02:58
jterrace1im confused as to what it does02:58
Alex_GaynorTBH I suck at doing the math on how the iterators work, probably best to ask him directly02:58
jterrace1it doesnt take any params, so it looks like you cant iterate over a specified axis02:58
jterrace1ok02:58
Alex_Gaynorstrides and backstrides and shapes and whatever else confuse me :/02:59
jterrace1yeah agreed02:59
jterrace1i have to do it on the console to figure out wtf is going on02:59
Alex_Gaynorfrankly even multi-dimensional slicing is confusing for me02:59
jterrace1yeah, unfortunately they are super powerful03:00
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Alex_GaynorI don't actually use numpy in real life, I just think it's a fun engineering project03:01
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jterrace1i use it for 3d data, which it's really nice for03:01
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zookoWhere can I find the source code of "crypto_pyaes"?04:04
zookohttp://speed.pypy.org/timeline/?ben=crypto_pyaes&env=104:04
Alex_Gaynorzooko: https://bitbucket.org/pypy/benchmarks/src/default/own/crypto_pyaes.py04:21
zookoThanks.04:21
zookoAlex_Gaynor: but what code is loaded by "import pyaes"?04:25
zookoI could always search for things that go under that name on the internet...04:26
zookoAnd have done, with mixed results.04:26
Alex_Gaynorno idea, it's prob ably in the lib directory though04:26
zookoBut how can I tell which thing is loaded on the speed.pypy.org machine?04:26
Alex_Gaynorit's whatevers in the lib directory04:26
Alex_Gaynorerr nvm, pyaes.py is in that dir04:27
zookoAh.04:27
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fijalhi08:17
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tumbleweedfijal: hi (continuing the conversation we started elsewhere)08:42
fijalso how does pypy not support sys.prefix?08:42
tumbleweedI should send a mail to debian-python & pypy-dev (or whatever it's called) saying what I've been up to, and asking for comments / review of patches, but I haven't got there yet...08:42
fijalhehe, ok08:43
tumbleweedsys.prefix in cpython means the same thing as PREFIX means in other packages08:43
fijalother people, like amaury_ might know better how sys.prefix works on pypy08:43
tumbleweed(this is vaguley defined in tnhe gnu coding standards)08:43
tumbleweedso, on a system installed cpython, sys.prefix will be /usr or /usr/local (probably)08:43
tumbleweedin pypy, it's more likely to be /usr/local/pypy or /usr/lib/pypy08:44
kenaan12hakanardo jit-improve-nested-loops 11896e5b681170 15/: hg merge default08:45
tumbleweedthat makes it hard for me to patch distutils to support both installation to /usr/local/pypy/dist-packages and /usr/lib/pypy/dist-packages (as our cpython's distutils does)08:45
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tumbleweed(dist-packages is something we ended up with in our cpython, as a way for people to use locally-compiled pythons next to package-installed pythons, without them sharing site-packages)08:46
fijalsys.prefix in pypy depends where you install it08:50
fijalit'll be /usr if you install it there08:51
fijalhakanardo: ping08:51
hakanardohi08:51
tumbleweedfijal: right, and when you install cpytho with a prefix of /usr, it keeps itself to a handful of subdirectories08:53
tumbleweedmeh, sorry, I was comparing it to how we do it in debian, not upstream cpython08:57
tumbleweedI want something like the unix_prefix scheme08:57
fijalhakanardo: so there was a test that you guys rewrote into meaninglessness09:01
fijalso not entirely my fault09:01
hakanardohehe, which one?09:01
fijaltest_debugger_on in test_runner09:03
fijalhakanardo: essentially now what backend gets is a stuff with label in the middle09:04
hakanardoyes09:04
fijalwhich is no longer what the test does :)09:04
fijalthat essentially renders current implementation meaningless09:05
fijaland I wonder how to fix it09:05
hakanardoso we should add a label somewhere in the middle of the loop in test_debugger_on I suppose09:07
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hakanardoIs this the failure your looking for: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/524870/09:11
fijalyes09:14
fijalnow - how do we fix it?09:14
fijalwe need a counter per label09:14
fijal+ one at the beginning09:14
fijaland the jitlogparser has to know how to slice and dice this stuff09:15
fijalbecause it's confusing to show the entire thign09:15
hakanardowhy do you want one counter per label?09:16
hakanardohow would they differ?09:17
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fijalbecause right now what we have is a counter that never gets incremented09:17
fijalit's at the front and jump goes to the middle09:18
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hakanardothe counter sits on the label and is indentified by the jump?09:19
hakanardo(I have no clue about how this works)09:19
fijalin the simply world of loops and preambles09:21
fijalit just sits at the beginning of the loop09:21
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hakanardo_inject_debugging_code?09:24
hakanardoit's counting the number of times the loop is executed?09:24
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hakanardowould looping that function over all labels make you happy?09:27
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hakanardoah, no, we need to allocated the additional counters somehow aswell...09:30
fijalwell yes09:33
fijalwe also need to slice the logs at the end09:33
fijalcause just having counters does not help09:33
fijalbecause the resulting logs/assembler are no longer readable09:33
fijalto be precise jitlogparser tests no longer test what they were supposed to either09:34
kenaan12hakanardo default 1127228df2fb9a 15/pypy/jit/backend/x86/test/test_runner.py: Fix the test to again test what it was intended to test. It curently fails09:35
hakanardook, where are those tests?09:37
fijalin tool/jitlogparser09:37
fijalbut we have to think a bit what we want to present09:37
hakanardoOK, I need to go soon, but I could look into this later if you want09:38
fijalcool, I would be very happy09:38
fijalfeel free to change the meaning or API, but generally displaying what goes into backend is no longer good enough09:39
hakanardobut I would need to know what you want :)09:39
fijalsince it's very confusing to display a piece of loop that only half gets executed09:39
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fijalI want to have exactly what was there before - to meaningfully display one loop09:40
hakanardoright, so that would now be a subset of a trace going from one label to the next09:42
hakanardoand for each such subset you also want a counter of how often it was executed09:42
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fijalpretty much09:44
fijalthat's definitely enough information to do something with in jitviewer09:44
hakanardoso the jitviewer currently shows the full trace of two iterations?09:46
fijalI think the jitviewer is right now just broken09:46
fijalI'm not sure, it'll probably show you indeed that09:46
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fijalbut also it's mapping to the source code won't really make much sense09:47
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hakanardoright09:48
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Fluxidoh, according to speed.pypy.org pypy is 5.1x faster... so you broke 5x again!10:12
fijalpretty much armin did10:22
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kenaan12arigo generator-in-rpython 119d9bba8e1c24 15/pypy/rpython/test/test_generator.py: A non-test for a non-feature.13:03
kenaan12arigo generator-in-rpython 11c73c899880d8 15/pypy/rpython/test/test_generator.py: Mark the test classes as _immutable_=True, to showcase what a real implementation would look like.13:03
kenaan12arigo default 1121c3998a104d 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/history.py: Kill the old version of the function, probably left over during a merge.13:03
kenaan12arigo default 119bec9e6ff111 15/pypy/: hg merge generator-in-rpython: minimal support for generators.13:07
verte-{nyctea}so rpython loops support generators now?13:09
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aleksiHello. May someone help with psutil? http://code.google.com/p/psutil/issues/detail?id=23913:26
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arigatosorry, I would like to help, but I'm on Linux too13:38
arigatocan you check if the problem is only with _psutil, or more general?13:39
aleksiarigato: only with psutil, otherwise PyPy 1.7 works great :)13:41
arigato:-/13:41
arigatohow do missing headers lead to the same error even in CPython?13:42
arigatodoesn't really make sense to me13:42
aleksiThere is a (?) in compatibility wiki for psutil. Does it mean 'no-one tried'?13:42
verte-{nyctea}missing headers don't normally explain link-time problems.13:43
aleksiit works with CPython13:43
aleksiyear, some kind of linking problem&13:43
arigato(?) means "Compatibility Unknown"13:47
verte-{nyctea}looks like a pretty straightforward extension with an uncomplicated setup.py13:48
verte-{nyctea}RuntimeError is the wrong exception for these functions to raise, they should raise some subclass of EnvironmentError13:52
kenaan12arigo pypy.org[extradoc] 11682c997ce4fb 15/: Add a link to the Compatibility Wiki.13:53
kenaan12arigo default 11bf79890911ed 15/pypy/tool/jitlogparser/test/test_modulefinder.py: Skip these broken tests for now13:54
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kenaan12arigo default 11532130e19935 15/pypy/jit/backend/x86/test/test_zrpy_platform.py: fix?13:58
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arigatoaleksi: well, they are linking with -framework options14:02
arigatoon OS/X14:02
arigatoI don't know exactly what they are, but I'm sure I don't understand *why* they are needed14:02
arigatothat's enough, by far, for me to consider this as "warning, this setup.py is doing strange tricks"14:04
arigatoI bet there are issues like "we don't have a framework PyPy for OS/X", whatever that really means14:04
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aleksiarigato: Basically, framework is a directory with libraries, headers and resource. I guess it links agains to IOKit to access /proc equivalent. And commenting out this section doesn't help.14:25
arigato:-(14:25
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arigatouh?  _psutil_osx.c contains obvious bugs14:43
arigatoit calls "free(fds_pointer);" and then it accesses "pds_pointer[i]"14:43
aleksiyeah14:45
arigatoyou should probably mention that, e.g. as a new issue14:46
aleksidoing it right now :)14:46
arigato:-)14:46
arigatooccurs twice with "free(fds_pointer);"14:47
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aleksitwice?14:48
arigatoyes14:48
aleksiI see only one free() call.14:49
arigatolines 805 and 95414:49
arigatoin svn trunk, rev 124314:49
aleksiAh, I use latest release.14:50
arigatodevelopers love bug reports about trunk rather than latest release :-)14:50
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Action: arigato impressed by http://morepypy-ja.blogspot.com/14:54
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fijalhi21:08
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Alex_Gaynorfijal: hey21:12
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Alex_Gaynorfijal: any progress on the memcpy slowdown?21:13
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lahwranhttp://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/coding-guide.html#our-runtime-interpreter-is-rpython21:19
lahwran"all allowed but yield, for loops restricted to builtin types"21:19
lahwranwas just made incorrect by a commit21:19
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lahwran! does pypy have greenlets?21:30
lahwranI was browsing the link above, found https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/src/default/lib_pypy21:30
lahwranfrom which I found: https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/src/default/lib_pypy/greenlet.py21:30
lahwrandoes this module ... work?21:30
Alex_Gaynoryes it does21:34
lahwranO_O21:37
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