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| lmatos | Got past the last issue. Has anyone run hotshot with PyPy? I installed django_extensions at mvt's reccomendation and am getting this error: http://hastebin.com/MKTyyYcfce.xml | 01:10 |
| lmatos | Okay this may win the award for dumbest pypy question ever. The Arch pypy package comes with pypy and pypy-c. Which should I use? | 01:24 |
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| lahwran | how does the pypy packaging work? | 02:01 |
| gutworth | barely :) | 02:02 |
| lahwran | ie, I want to create a package containing the sandbox and the required "master" code. how would I go about this? | 02:02 |
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| gutworth | top | 03:53 |
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| mattip | I need help. | 05:52 |
| Alex_Gaynor | mattip: I can try to help | 05:52 |
| mattip | I have been trying to get reduce ops (sum, prod...) to work on an axis in numpypy | 05:52 |
| mattip | I needed to make this change http://paste.pocoo.org/show/527629 | 05:52 |
| mattip | which for some reason causes miltiple tests to fail | 05:53 |
| mattip | multiple* | 05:53 |
| mattip | but only when run in batch testing, when I cherrypick a test (using -k) everything works. | 05:53 |
| Alex_Gaynor | mattip: default arguments are shared across calls | 05:53 |
| Alex_Gaynor | mattip: do chunks=None and then `if chunks is None: chunks = []` | 05:54 |
| mattip | Ahh. thanks. Can I add that to some wiki page or something? | 05:54 |
| Alex_Gaynor | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1132941/least-astonishment-in-python-the-mutable-default-argument | 05:55 |
| Alex_Gaynor | It's a general python thing, it's not RPython specific | 05:55 |
| mattip | Wow. I am astonished at my stupidity. Why haven't I seen this before? | 05:56 |
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| -christel (~christel@freenode/staff/exherbo.christel) to $$*- [Global Notice] Having consumed vast quantities of turkey, celebrated the birth of Isaac Newton and sought refuge in the internet whilst our families all went mad this Christmas, we're now getting ready for 2012! #freenode-newyears is now open, and those of you wishing to avoid the various countdowns and New Year's cheer may wish to /mode -w for the next couple of days! | 09:07 | |
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| tmu | http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/12/ibniz-hardcore-audiovisual-virtual.html wondering how this would sit with pypy :) | 09:18 |
| fijal | tmu: nothing stops you from trying :) | 09:35 |
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| lesshaste | hi fijal | 10:50 |
| lesshaste | I had a basic question about the loop issue | 10:50 |
| lesshaste | which is essentially this.. if you know the number of iterations of the loop in advance, it isn't really a loop | 10:56 |
| lesshaste | in my case this is set by a constant that it would seem one could tell was not changed in the code | 10:56 |
| lesshaste | is that a useful special case? | 10:56 |
| verte-{nyctea} | only if the loop body is very short | 10:57 |
| Nick change: verte-{nyctea} -> verte-wleslie | 10:57 | |
| fijal | lesshaste: yes? | 11:03 |
| fijal | yes, precisely, only if it's very short | 11:03 |
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| christophler | Hello pyp! | 11:26 |
| christophler | pypy | 11:26 |
| christophler | oops | 11:26 |
| christophler | Id like to get into developing object spaces... are there people/places I could interact with? | 11:27 |
| christophler | I wonder what timezone this channel works on | 11:27 |
| christophler | I'll just be quiet then | 11:27 |
| christophler | xx | 11:27 |
| verte-wleslie | well, if you want to ask a question, just ask | 11:29 |
| christophler | :) | 11:30 |
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| christophler | Is the best way to learn about object spaces to review the source of the three or four documented in "What pypy can do for your objects"? | 11:31 |
| verte-wleslie | sure. with the exception of the standard and flow spaces, they are very brief. | 11:32 |
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| christophler | If i want to make changes to ALL objects, which create events for application level code from "normal" interpreter operations, is this best achieving using "only" Object spaces, or should I maybe make some change to the Object Class or something like that (Im happy to study lnoger) | 11:35 |
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| verte-wleslie | depends what the operations are; object spaces give you more control | 11:36 |
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| christophler | For example, if I did some wrapping operation as a preOperation to assignments, I would have good control over the scope of which obejcts in the entire program were wrapper, and how they are wrapper, but Im just a bit worried that I can "miss" things... the obvious example being any calls to external code (C code etc) | 11:37 |
| verte-wleslie | what do you mean by assignments? attribute assignments? | 11:38 |
| christophler | yes | 11:39 |
| christophler | e.g. If I have an object "a" | 11:39 |
| verte-wleslie | all attribute assignments must go through the object space, even in extension code | 11:39 |
| christophler | which contains an arbitrary heriarchy of objects/primitives (the same in pypy I reckon?) and I wanted to generate an event from "a" if any of the values of any of the objects "contained by" "a" | 11:40 |
| christophler | changed | 11:40 |
| christophler | call it the "dirty event" | 11:41 |
| christophler | right, so the object space acts as a... CPU to some extent. there is no way of circumventing it | 11:41 |
| verte-wleslie | objects don't contain one another, they refer to one another | 11:41 |
| christophler | yes | 11:41 |
| christophler | I put "references" as well, but it made the sentence look ugly! | 11:41 |
| christophler | ok, referemces | 11:41 |
| christophler | yes | 11:41 |
| christophler | thanks | 11:41 |
| verte-wleslie | an object refers to its type which refers to its supertype, which means it's not far before you're "containing" the whole interpreter | 11:41 |
| christophler | this is why I need to be able to control the scope of the wrappers | 11:42 |
| christophler | there are som circumstances where I would want to wrap parts of the interpreter, but I reckon that wrapping absolutely everything would be on the brink of infinite mush | 11:43 |
| christophler | infintire recursive mush | 11:43 |
| christophler | and im missusing the word scope a bit aswell | 11:43 |
| christophler | Oh, can you wrap multiple object spaces in shells around each other to compound their behaviour? That seems sort of implied by the docs, but not explictly mentioned | 11:45 |
| christophler | right, off to town... Thanks for some time and friendly ness... Ill be back some time later... thanks again | 11:46 |
| Nick change: christophler -> christophler_afk | 11:46 | |
| verte-wleslie | yes, all concrete object spaces build on at least one other | 11:47 |
| christophler_afk | makes sense... ok thanks | 11:47 |
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| christophler_afk | Oh, and keep up the amazing work, I will contribute when I can ! | 12:01 |
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| kenaan | 12mattip numpypy-axisops 11d13df48602d0 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/: fixes for translation | 12:22 |
| kenaan | 12mattip numpypy-axisops 11ece8d1b61ecb 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/signature.py: (Alex_Gaynor) fix incorrect default function values | 12:22 |
| kenaan | 12mattip numpypy-axisops 11911002e026f2 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/: assert for translation, small cleanups | 12:22 |
| kenaan | 12mattip numpypy-axisops 11e00aeecb0882 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/interp_iter.py: whoops | 12:22 |
| mattip | hi | 12:22 |
| mattip | I think I have done as much as I can without help. | 12:22 |
| mattip | There is still something wrong in translating, (test_ztranslate.py fails), but I don;t know how to fix it. | 12:23 |
| verte-wleslie | got a traceback? | 12:24 |
| mattip | hang on | 12:24 |
| Action: mattip pasting to pocoo | 12:26 | |
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| mattip | yes - http://paste.pocoo.org/show/527703 | 12:28 |
| mattip | I tried to add a default argument to the reduce functions in numpypy | 12:29 |
| mattip | so that both numpypy.sum(a) and numpypy.sum(a,1) are valid | 12:29 |
| mattip | the first sums all the values in a multidimensional array | 12:29 |
| mattip | the second sums along the second axis | 12:30 |
| verte-wleslie | it's got an argument that can either be an (rpython) integer or a python object | 12:32 |
| verte-wleslie | are your defaults python integers - appropriately wrapped? | 12:33 |
| mattip | No, that's apparently the problem. | 12:34 |
| Action: mattip pasting again, hang on | 12:34 | |
| verte-wleslie | are these functions exposed via interp2app? | 12:35 |
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| mattip | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/527718/ | 12:39 |
| mattip | yes, I have cut out alot of the code, leaving only the function definitions and the TypeDef | 12:40 |
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| verte-wleslie | your variable is named w_dim, but it's not w_ at all | 12:40 |
| Taos | How can I translate without _ssl support? | 12:40 |
| verte-wleslie | annotation should catch that sooner | 12:40 |
| mattip | This is apparently the problem: def impl(self, space, w_dim=-1) | 12:40 |
| mattip | (sorry about the time warp, my internet is really slow) | 12:41 |
| mattip | Sometimes w_dim IS wrapped, if the user specifies it in the app level. | 12:42 |
| verte-wleslie | yeah, the annotator won't be able to make sense of that | 12:42 |
| verte-wleslie | you can't have a variable contain both an integer and an instance | 12:42 |
| mattip | but I want it to be a wrapped integer also for default. | 12:42 |
| verte-wleslie | use a None default then | 12:42 |
| mattip | Ahh, None does not need to be wrapped? | 12:43 |
| verte-wleslie | None is the top of SomeInstance values | 12:43 |
| mattip | OK, I did that in an earlier version, and then I had a different problem | 12:44 |
| mattip | The FakeSpace used in testing ( test_zjit.py ) didn't like None | 12:45 |
| mattip | FakeSpace is defined in micronumpy/compile.py | 12:47 |
| verte-wleslie | bitbucket doesn't really work with so many branches | 12:48 |
| mattip | You can use "default" to see how FakeSpace is defined, I did not modify it. | 12:49 |
| Taos | can I turn off _ssl when translating pypy? | 12:51 |
| verte-wleslie | where did it complain? | 12:51 |
| verte-wleslie | I think usemodules-_ssl=false or so | 12:53 |
| verte-wleslie | --withoutmod-_ssl ? | 12:54 |
| verte-wleslie | nope. hmm. | 12:54 |
| Taos | Basically I dont want or need any of the optional modules | 12:55 |
| verte-wleslie | --no-allworkingmodules | 12:56 |
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| Taos | verte-wleslie: for some reason its still looking for libssl | 13:00 |
| verte-wleslie | Taos: what does the options output show? | 13:01 |
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| Taos | ~/pypy/default/pypy-1.7/bin/pypy translate.py -O2 --sandbox lokisandbox.py --no-allworkingmodules | 13:01 |
| Taos | /home/jakob/pypy/default/pypy-1.7/bin/pypy: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 13:01 |
| verte-wleslie | does this happen for a non-sandbox build? | 13:02 |
| exarkun | you are trying to translate using a pypy that breeds ssl | 13:02 |
| Taos | Ah | 13:02 |
| exarkun | you can't do that if you don't have ssl | 13:02 |
| Taos | Anyone know where to find ssl on gentoo? | 13:03 |
| exarkun | _needs_ | 13:03 |
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| exarkun | th probably have 1.0 instead of 0.9.8 | 13:03 |
| Taos | this makes life difficault | 13:04 |
| exarkun | translate with cpython first | 13:04 |
| Taos | oh man thats gonna take years? | 13:04 |
| exarkun | It's a little slower, but that just means you have some extra time to go for a run or something | 13:05 |
| Taos | I guess | 13:05 |
| Taos | let me just go into gnu screen | 13:05 |
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| Taos | [translation:ERROR] Could not find target 'lokisandbox.py' | 13:09 |
| Taos | hm? I thought it created it | 13:09 |
| verte-wleslie | where? | 13:10 |
| Taos | dw I got it wrong | 13:10 |
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| Taos | Does anyone have some prebuild sandbox translations on 64bit because this is becoming a pain in the ass | 13:12 |
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| Taos | How can I make it write to somewhere other than /temp when translating? | 13:22 |
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| Taos | Anyone? | 13:25 |
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| kkb110 | Q: Can I embed pypy in c++ program? | 13:36 |
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| nedbat | Taos: /temp is just the TEMP env var, or something close, right? | 13:45 |
| Taos | Sweet | 13:49 |
| Taos | YAY the build started! | 13:51 |
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| Rhy0lite | hi, bivab | 14:11 |
| bivab | Rhy0lite: hi | 14:11 |
| kenaan | 12mattip numpypy-axisops 11af55619e4fb9 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/: rework default arg, tests finally pass, cleanup | 14:14 |
| mattip | Alex_Gaynor, fijal: I think this is ready for review. | 14:15 |
| mattip | numpypy-axisops adds axis arg to reduce functions (sum, reduce.add, prod, max, min but not argmax, argmin) | 14:16 |
| mattip | Sorry for so many changesets along the way, I had a lot to learn about wrapping default arguments to interp-level functions. | 14:17 |
| mattip | I will be back on Sunday. | 14:18 |
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| kenaan | 12edelsohn ppc-jit-backend 116478d3b30785 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/helper/assembler.py: Add encode64 for PPC64. | 14:45 |
| kenaan | 12edelsohn ppc-jit-backend 11e2765d568453 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/ppc_assembler.py: Use encode64/decode64 for IMM on PPC64. | 14:45 |
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| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 1116f44a7dcbb5 15/: merge default | 15:43 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 11794e761fa494 15/pypy/jit/backend/llsupport/gc.py: fix indentation after merge | 15:43 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 1143bf7458dfe1 15/pypy/jit/backend/: update compute_vars_longevity and return computed values instead of directly assigning them | 15:43 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 111348332a6293 15/pypy/jit/backend/: move the descrs unpacking to llsuport to be shared between the backends | 15:43 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 11206597c40644 15/pypy/jit/backend/: in progress: implement the changes to the backend introduced by the jit-simplify-backendintf | 15:43 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 110768ebedbaed 15/pypy/jit/backend/arm/opassembler.py: remove dead code | 15:43 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 1123a8ffceb879 15/pypy/jit/backend/x86/regalloc.py: fix indentation error | 15:43 |
| kenaan | 12bivab arm-backend-2 11aad89a4cbc45 15/pypy/jit/backend/arm/opassembler.py: actually call malloc when emitting call_malloc_gc | 15:43 |
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| Taos | When running pypy sandbox i get | 16:04 |
| Taos | No module named autopath | 16:04 |
| Taos | don't worry I think its to do with the symlink | 16:05 |
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| Taos | Im still struggling with the sandbox though | 16:07 |
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| kkb110 | Q: can I embed pypy sandbox in a c++ program? | 16:35 |
| arigato | yes, the controller's part can be written in any language | 16:40 |
| arigato | we have a demo Python one | 16:40 |
| arigato | but it should be regarded as a demo only | 16:40 |
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| arigato | (that's pypy.translator.sandbox.sandlib and pypy_interact) | 16:41 |
| kkb110 | oh ok thanks I'll look into it | 16:41 |
| kkb110 | so I guess I have to embed pypy interpreter on c++ first to use it? | 16:42 |
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| arigato | no, the sandbox is a separate process | 16:43 |
| ronny | kkb110: what do you intend to do with the sandbox? | 16:44 |
| kkb110 | ronny, user supplied python scripts that calls/uses c++ objects | 16:44 |
| ronny | kkb110: then thats not what the pypy sandbox is designed for | 16:44 |
| kkb110 | but I can't find any other ways that makes embedding python script safe | 16:45 |
| ronny | kkb110: the main point of the pypy sandbox is absolute security, which means no calls to 3rd party code, and the only io is via marshal on stdin/out | 16:45 |
| kkb110 | hmm.. then that's a problem... :P | 16:45 |
| ronny | kkb110: whats the tool you want to extend with python doing? | 16:46 |
| kkb110 | ronny, what do you mean by tool here? | 16:47 |
| kkb110 | language? | 16:47 |
| kkb110 | the nature of the program? | 16:47 |
| ronny | the nature of the program | 16:47 |
| kkb110 | it's a game and I hope to extend trigger/action behavior. | 16:48 |
| kkb110 | so player will be able to customize the game | 16:49 |
| kkb110 | probably the standard answer here is lua | 16:49 |
| kkb110 | I'm considering python(if possible) > chaiscript = javascript > lua | 16:51 |
| ronny | yeah, im not aware of a process-embeddable secure python interpreter | 16:52 |
| kenaan | 12edelsohn ppc-jit-backend 1103c64ec12500 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/codebuilder.py: allocate and deallocate SCRATCH in store_reg. refer to r.SCRATCH in b_abs and bl_abs. | 16:52 |
| kenaan | 12edelsohn ppc-jit-backend 11d4c1f774d5ac 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/opassembler.py: Materialize function address once. Load descriptor value using offsets. Save and restore TOC around CAL... | 16:52 |
| kenaan | 12edelsohn ppc-jit-backend 1116225a003d71 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/ppc_assembler.py: Materialize function address once. Load function descriptor values via offsets. | 16:52 |
| ronny | hmm | 16:53 |
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| ronny | chaiscript is scary | 16:54 |
| arigato | note that pypy-sandbox uses a subprocess only because it's safer | 16:55 |
| arigato | in theory it's just as safe if it's in the same process | 16:55 |
| arigato | but you still have to work in order to get the API that you want | 16:55 |
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| kkb110 | chaiscript is a beast | 16:56 |
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| ronny | bbl, dinner | 16:56 |
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| kkb110 | ok, I guess I skim around pypy source code for a while | 16:58 |
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| fijal | arigato: jitviewer should mostly work now | 17:07 |
| andrewfr | hi I have a few STM questions | 17:07 |
| andrewfr | I downloaded and installed a pre-compiled then did a hg up stm to get the stm | 17:08 |
| andrewfr | module | 17:08 |
| andrewfr | I also downloaded the rstm package and compiled it separately | 17:09 |
| andrewfr | so I can learn more about how to use the library independend of pypy | 17:09 |
| andrewfr | the simple question first: I am not sure how to run the examples in test | 17:10 |
| andrewfr | in translator/stm/test | 17:11 |
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| fijal | lesshaste: now | 20:04 |
| Taos | Im struggling to get pypy-sandbox to behave right. | 20:11 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: so, what do you think abotu not making True/False singletons, but just getting the id/is_ semantics right. it would make `a == b` branchless | 20:12 |
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